US Pilots Thread for the week 9/14-9/21.

[machtuck]

Good luck to you and your kids...

just remember WHO took you out at the end of the day..


best regards.

Your "boys" (and you) will unfortunately LOSE this battle with BOTH the company and the union going forward.

regards.

 

[prechilill]

So, we are seeing a bent out of shape junior FO, deep on the furlough list prior to the AWA lifeline, talking in some obscure code that the west pilots are about to get clobbered with pink slips since they are not "paying up" to the corrupt union boss. His thinking goes that since we are a closed shop we have no option but to submit to their blackmail. Hmmm. All this coming from a guy that has multiple screen names to choose from and can't even figure out Bob Crandall left American a DECADE ago.
Given the only thing East pilots have is a majority the only victory they have enjoyed since 2005 is a vote. Before and ever since April 17th, the east has feasted off false hopes and promises from their little king, having little ability to differentiate truth from fiction. Now we can definitely see the desperation with their newest "threat"- terminations which have yet to happen. Although a west pilot being fired would make their day, and although not one single east pilot who has never paid a dime to USAPA has never been challenged to date, the motivations and intents of people like Machtuck are readily apparent. They want payback from an industry that has cost them their lives and they want to extract it from an innocent group out west. These men are desperate, time is not on their side and their pie in the sky hopes of a western conquest are evaporating with each legal defeat. In the meantime they feed new stories to the lemmings, the latest being the termination effort, to solidify and rekindle the hatred that fuels their union followers' ambitions. Well, like everything else USAPA has attempted, they will probably be the victims of their own greed and stupidity. What a sad, pitiful collection of individuals.

 

[machtuck]

So, we are seeing a bent out of shape junior FO, deep on the furlough list prior to the AWA lifeline, talking in some obscure code that the west pilots are about to get clobbered with pink slips since they are not "paying up" to the corrupt union boss. His thinking goes that since we are a closed shop we have no option but to submit to their blackmail. Hmmm. All this coming from a guy that has multiple screen names to choose from and can't even figure out Bob Crandall left American a DECADE ago.
Given the only thing East pilots have is a majority the only victory they have enjoyed since 2005 is a vote. Before and ever since April 17th, the east has feasted off false hopes and promises from their little king, having little ability to differentiate truth from fiction. Now we can definitely see the desperation with their newest "threat"- terminations which have yet to happen. Although a west pilot being fired would make their day, and although not one single east pilot who has never paid a dime to USAPA has never been challenged to date, the motivations and intents of people like Machtuck are readily apparent. They want payback from an industry that has cost them their lives and they want to extract it from an innocent group out west. These men are desperate, time is not on their side and their pie in the sky hopes of a western conquest are evaporating with each legal defeat. In the meantime they feed new stories to the lemmings, the latest being the termination effort, to solidify and rekindle the hatred that fuels their union followers' ambitions. Well, like everything else USAPA has attempted, they will probably be the victims of their own greed and stupidity. What a sad, pitiful collection of individuals.

My gawd, Chili..the bandwith....

I'll save you all the narrative and wasted RF Band...

Yep, make no mistake...if you belive your "applications" will suffice...your are most certainly on the short-list to be let go...

I have no compulsion to even read what my Chili has written...if you didn't quote it from me...I didn't say it.


If I said it....count on it.

Thanks for the west spots...some "new hires" may want them.

 

[machtuck]

I'll sign off with this;

You naive westies who have handed your career to Chili and her pals..

(or whatever)

You will never be able to claim you were not warned about your actions as you blindly followed these idiots into oblivion.


good luck.

call me if you need a reference offshore.

( Im checking off Chili...so don't bother with a weak and conciliatory retort)

 

[Tiger 1050]

I'd like to bring up another point also...

The example concerning the "4" is not about membership applications and any addendum per se. It has been found by the company that the four were never members because of a clause in the USAPA C&BL requiring new membership to be voted on by local council reps. Well last I checked USAPA has no local council reps in PHX or LAS. So how can they be voted on as members? They cant. According to the C&BL anyhow. This is where the company found the room to deny the termination proceedings. If you can't be voted in then your application is still pending. If it is still pending then what are your dues obligations? If for some strange reason you were denied membership by USAPA then you'd be relieved of your dues obligation. It is akin to the situation we are seeing with the non-member objectors, where one is asked to pay first without regard to USAPA's obligation to provide an appropriate statement such as I pointed out earlier. A statement indicating one only pays germane fees. Claiming failure or negligence on the part of these 4 to make a statement and proceed with termination requests without regard to your own C&BL reeks of unbridled emotion fueling the fire... I sense another bullet wound in the lower extremities...

 

[prechilill]

Well, we all know now where Machtuck's hopes lie with the termination of west pilots. Termination seems highly unlikely at this time given USAPA's latest efforts to fire four pilots failed miserably (to the angst of a few vocals around here). What is surprising, however, is two days have passed with no mention from the bitter population out east regarding the significance of our injunction filed on Thursday for the furloughs. Most of the east fo's on here are on the third list described in the transition agreement which means they came back on to the property after the merger snapshot date. The transition agreement stipulates all pilots on the third list must be furloughed before Dave Odell. Unfortunately, USAPA hasn't been forthright about this fact to their constituents and it is now going to be evidenced in court. This is a very black and white issue, and although the west has been on the receiving end of the easts' continued and unrelenting vengeance, it saddens me to think someone like Machtuck may be out of work (again) in a few weeks. What is worse is he has no clue about it either, the blinders are on and USAPA has him suckered. Truly a sad situation all of them.
The transition agreement spells out the furlough sequence very clearly. In a week we may all be surprised to learn 300 pilots are coming off the east list. But again, a contract is a contract, regardless of what USAPA feeds their clones and the judge will most likely follow what the east and the company has agreed to. Good luck!

 

[Tiger 1050]

I'll sign off with this;

You naive westies who have handed your career to Chili and her pals..

(or whatever)

You will never be able to claim you were not warned about your actions as you blindly followed these idiots into oblivion.


good luck.

call me if you need a reference offshore.

( Im checking off Chili...so don't bother with a weak and conciliatory retort)

With all due respect... That reads so desperate! Pathetic really. Your little threats and all...

This is no big deal in the grand scheme of things (life)! We disagree that's all... Hell I'm trying to get out of this hole as we speak (try to beat the furlough)! You can have what ever little carcass remains after that. Sound good?

 

[machtuck]

OK...more busy than you..


Enjoy.

bye!

 

[EastUS]

But again, a contract is a contract, regardless of what USAPA feeds their clones and the judge will most likely follow what the east and the company has agreed to. Good luck!

A pretty decent roll there tonight..insofar as such rhetoric generally goes. I'll give credit where due here, in that you've always managed to "sound" so very certain of future outcomes, and I must almost admire the dogged tenacity shown therein...except, of course... for the small detail that you've yet to actually be correct even once within your voluminous predictions. If that's not correct and you have been right before...perhaps you can kindly refresh our memories here as to when and about what? Let's examine but one point here even = "what the east and the company has agreed to." This, to me at least, presupposes on your part that there's any universal agreement with your view on contractual issues by all concerned parties...or at least, that the company "has agreed to"....Umm...why then, is the company even establishing any furloughs at all in the west? It's not impossible that the company's legal brain trust simply missed major issues so very clear to you and yours out west....but it does allow for a bit of less certainty as to what's "most likely".....

Don't mind me Chili...I'm sitll having great difficulty just following your sage advice from far earlier..and it's proving very difficult to "begin the healing" ever since, (as you properly predicted with your standard certainty would happen), Alpa won the election back in April....Kudos for how well you're obviously "healing" within your "All Out Warfare!" out there though 😉 Someone truly should coin a term that transcends mere "Hypocrisy" and and is capable coloration for the extended regions of said concept, that you so joyously explore with wholesale and amazing abandon 😉

Prechilled: "In a week we may all be surprised to learn .." Care to place a wager?..or has your previous, universal certainty finally been reduced to merely "may" within your posting style? 😉

I ask that none mistake this litttle jibe for any minimizing the severity of furloughs by me in any way, shape or form. I'm not thrilled that anyone's being put through such miserable circumstances.

 

[Res Judicata]

Good luck to you and your kids...

just remember WHO took you out at the end of the day..


best regards.

Your "boys" (and you) will unfortunately LOSE this battle with BOTH the company and the union going forward.

regards.

OOOOOOOHHHHHHHH SCARY!!!!!!! USAPA is too stupid to understand their own CB&Ls. Don't any of you cheerleaders wonder why they refuse to open their books for independent audit? How many are on FPL? What are they getting paid? What are their covered expenses? How much are you spending on frivolous lawsuits? What does the office and staff cost? How do you verify anything they say? On and ON and ON. There is a reason. A good one from their perspective. However, if they keep pushing the mass West firings they'll lose what little control they have over that info and it will be laid out for all to see.

What does your sec/treas. say on this matter?

"As long as I'm in office nobody will have access to my records or staff" (actual email to west pilot)

Not only does Heir King not understand the CB&Ls, his responsibilities under RLA and other US labor laws also elude him. These pseudo tough guys are nothing but cowardly little nerds that feel important by burning ants with a magnifying glass. That's all.

 

[EastUS]

OOOOOOOHHHHHHHH SCARY!!!!!!!
Not only does Heir King not understand the CB&Ls, his responsibilities under RLA and other US labor laws also elude him. These pseudo tough guys are nothing but cowardly little nerds that feel important by burning ants with a magnifying glass. That's all.

Given that much of that rant's pure hysteria; I'm curious on but two points here:

1) Have you meant to assign the title of heir, as in surving person, or have you meant the germanic Herr?
2) Why would you apparantly equate west people to ants under a magnifying glass?

Nevermind..I must be missing something here...like the sense of having read any rational thought therein....

 

[Res Judicata]

Given that much of that rant's pure hysteria; I'm curious on but two points here:

1) Have you meant to assign the title of heir, as in surving person, or have you meant the germanic Herr?
2) Why would you apparantly equate west people to ants under a magnifying glass?

Nevermind..I must be missing something here...like the sense of having read any rational thought therein....

I'm a Spanish speaker. Sorry. What about hiding the books? Does that bother you? If not, Why?

 

[EastUS]

I'm a Spanish speaker. Sorry. What about hiding the books? Does that bother you? If not, Why?

I've yet to have any questions I've asked of any within the union not answered to my fullest satisfaction. I've no idea what's behind your apparent fantasy of "hiding the books". If I thought, for even an instant, that duplicitous behavior was occurring regarding finances...I'd be very concerned, but I've observed nothing whatsoever to even hint at any such fantasized BS, and anyone can construct and hurl make believe missles at their pleasure......

I've seen massive and wholesale corruption via Alpa, and am well aware of the signs and the rank stench of such. Very thankfully; This isn't Alpa.

 

[Res Judicata]

..

This isn't Alpa.

It's not a union either. Also, it's no "fantasy" of mine that USAPA is avoiding neutral accounting like the plague. USAPA has a legal obligation to prove what fees are germane and which are not. So several hundred West guys are objectors. All anybody is asking is that USAPA give them the full accounting that is required by law. HERR KING's response? "Go Fu*k yourselves! You'll never see the books!!!"


This house of cards that's calling itself a labor union is disintegrating. They're on the wrong side of the law, they know it, and have no idea how to climb out of the sucking vortex of sh*t they've created for themselves.

Your questions have been answered "to your satisfaction" because you've only wanted them to tell you what you wanted to hear. Lucky for you; that's their speciality. USAPA has no real answers to anything. Those sh*theads are trying to make it up as they go along...and they're taking you with 'em, (methinks[any jobs at summerstock?])

 

[prechilill]

Umm...why then, is the company even establishing any furloughs at all in the west? It's not impossible that the company's legal brain trust simply missed major issues so very clear to you and yours out west....but it does allow for a bit of less certainty as to what's "most likely".....


Prechilled: "In a week we may all be surprised to learn .." Care to place a wager?..or has your previous, universal certainty finally been reduced to merely "may" within your posting style? 😉

The transition agreement is very clear in how furloughs are to be conducted. The west, east and company all signed the transition agreement. Furloughs are planned out of seniority order and the nickel store union has yet to do anything about it. WE DID. With our filing (you may read it here http://www.cactuspilot.org/Application%20%...20Injunction%20[12] in district court it makes what is obvious to us available for people like yourself to read and understand. You are being lied to by King and Bradford- stop being their stooge and start asking the taxing questions which they have yet to answer. Let your emotions simmer just for once instead of boiling over into one of your rages and blinding you from even understanding the simplest of concepts.

One last point regarding the vote. We in the west were hopeful you in the east would have tempered the unbridled emotions USAPA needed for you to vote for the fantasy union. Obviously, we underestimated how obtuse the east pilot group really is. So here we stand, in the sixth month of your union experiment without any advancement in contracts, pending litigation which will probably have USAPA on losing end, the company refusing to fire a pilot who won't submit to your blackmail and yet we still witness a collection of stooges believing everything a corrupt circle of people tells them. Fascinating. This truly has been an enlightening experience on emotional group thinking.

The west legal funds are approaching a quarter million- most of this collected in two months because we stand resolved to have our rights upheld. None of this would have been possible under the umbrella of ALPA and you preserved Nicolau with your vote against ALPA. Thank you, sir. In a year or so USAPA will take their district court loss to the appellate courts and soon thereafter be out of options. I will enjoy watching the lemmings turn on their little king.