That's not exactly true. Southwest does not need to move ALL flights to DFW. It could split it's operation between LUV and DFW, just like it's asking AA to do. There's no reason why WN couldn't keep a lock on LUV field AND operate long haul flights from DFW. Nothing fuzzy about this scenario.
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That's not exactly true. Southwest does not need to move ALL flights to DFW. It could split it's operation between LUV and DFW, just like it's asking AA to do. There's no reason why WN couldn't keep a lock on LUV field AND operate long haul flights from DFW. Nothing fuzzy about this scenario.
In case you haven't been around...you cannot serve much out of DAL. And you cannot even carry connecting pax over those legs so those whopping DAL-AMA flights are ALL LOCAL. Based on the current WA restrictions, if you want to properly serve a city, as does WN, you would essentially need to move everything. This "lock" on DAL is a crock b/c you know darn well that you cannot fly to respectable markets and cannot carry anything but local. I could have a "lock" on Independence Air stock right now if I anted up 4 cents but that doesn't mean that I'd be better off than everyone else.
"That's not exactly true. Southwest does not need to move ALL flights to DFW. It could split it's operation between LUV and DFW, just like it's asking AA to do. There's no reason why WN couldn't keep a lock on LUV field AND operate long haul flights from DFW. Nothing fuzzy about this scenario"
Actually--you're version of the facts is a little fuzzy :} Southwest hasn't asked AA to split its operation between DFW and DAL. Southwest has said that's a stupid thing to do since it greatly increases costs and lessens service. Southwest has simply asked for the Wright Ammendment to be eliminated.
Actually--you're version of the facts is a little fuzzy :} Southwest hasn't asked AA to split its operation between DFW and DAL. Southwest has said that's a stupid thing to do since it greatly increases costs and lessens service. Southwest has simply asked for the Wright Ammendment to be eliminated.
Arpey says it much better than I can:
Southwest is "FREE TO FLY ABOUT THE COUNTRY FROM DFW ANYTIME THEY WOULD LIKE"
http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pressRel...M3U1EEQBFFT4VMD
Southwest is "FREE TO FLY ABOUT THE COUNTRY FROM DFW ANYTIME THEY WOULD LIKE"
http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pressRel...M3U1EEQBFFT4VMD
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Wasn't LUV supposed to be closed years ago under the WA? Seems like SWA was living on borrowed time to begin with, which makes moving to DFW a reasonable step...
Yes...that is well said. Translated it means "You can compete with us but only on our terms and in a way that will greatly add costs to your network whereas the only negative impact of repealling the WA is that we would have to face competition in our fortress. Thank you DFW for protecting us".
...because we all know that once a law is in effect, it should never be changed. Speaking of...did you know that until recently, it was illegal for a housewife in florida to break more than three dishes in a week? Seriously.
DFW needed protection in the early days when the metroplex was much smaller and the airport was brand new. Both have grown tremendously since the 70's and that means that we should revisit the law. The problem is that b/c of AA and DFW's campaigns, the real plus-side of DFW/DAL coexistence is masked. I would bank on the idea that SEVERAL US cities would give anything to have existing infrastructure for immediately operable airports serving the city. The metroplex has this but the smear campaigns have led us all to believe that the sky will fall if both are actually used. These are smart organizations and they know that they need the WA to contain their oligopolies/monopolies.
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The Wright Amendment (as originally written) did call for the closure of Love Field. However, it was not palatable to the rest of Congress and the less-restrictive (?) measures now in place were created.
As a matter of history, the phraseology of the 1968 Regional Airport Concurrent Bond Ordinance called for the termination of commercial air service at Love Field, Redbird, Mecham, and Greater Southwest "if legally permissable." Often these quoted words are overlooked in an attempt to claim a legally binding deal was made and then ignored.
The courts ruled over and over again that because SWA had received its operating authority from the Texas Aeronautics Commission and the TAC had jurisdiction over Texas' airports, the provisions of the Ordinance could not override the authority of a state to designate the airports at which state-certified air carriers could operate. Thus, SWA retained the legal right to operate at Love Field. The terms of the Bond Ordinance were applicable to the other airports because no TAC-certified carriers operated at any of them.
Fort Worth and DFW felt sleighted by the courts rulings and ever since have held a grudge, looking for ways to gig Dallas whenever possible. In 1979 they found a champion who could wield a big stick in Rep. Jim Wright (D-Fort Worth), speaker of the House of Representatives.
Get up to speed on the history of the legal challenges affecting SWA and Love Field by reading this short document from the Handbook of Texas Online: http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online...es/SS/eps1.html
Looks like Sen McCain ate Aprey up and down and Aprey looked like a lost pup. He almost sounded like a kid whining about not getting his way. Bring back Uncle Bob for stuff like this...
BTW...If you are really bored, here's the link to the video...
http://commerce.senate.gov/archive.wrightamend111005.ram
BTW...If you are really bored, here's the link to the video...
http://commerce.senate.gov/archive.wrightamend111005.ram
That's odd, it seemed like McCain was grandstanding and his argument that Wright was like the old DCA perimeter rule held no water.
Arpey did pretty well, although he did seem to be a bit stuffy at times (more of an AA culture thing, IMO).
For a minute there during Kelleher's opening statement I thought he was gonna start talking about flowers and puppies and pretty little children.
Arpey did pretty well, although he did seem to be a bit stuffy at times (more of an AA culture thing, IMO).
For a minute there during Kelleher's opening statement I thought he was gonna start talking about flowers and puppies and pretty little children.
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(Yawn) !!
Just as I predicted.
("W"rightly, or wrongly) WN does'nt have the "political juice", to get the WA overturned !!
An NFL "tie score" in OT ???
Hey, the bottom line is this. These 2 great Airlines got into the ring, and "punched the piss" out of each other, only to have the "event" wind up in a draw.
Personally, I think It was a TRIBUTE to both !!
You got to figure, "uncle" Bobby Crandall was watching this somewhere today, "Laughing his Arse off"
WHY,
Because for MANY years, he an "HERB" have been friends, and "business enemys" in Texas,(All the while co-existing nicely, with each other.)
AND,
Crandall "hand picked", and "groomed" Arpey many years ago, right out of Arpey's business school !!
IMHO, If this "lunatic" industry shrunk to only 2 carriers IN THE WHOLE WORLD, they would be AA + WN !!
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Just as I predicted.
("W"rightly, or wrongly) WN does'nt have the "political juice", to get the WA overturned !!
An NFL "tie score" in OT ???
Hey, the bottom line is this. These 2 great Airlines got into the ring, and "punched the piss" out of each other, only to have the "event" wind up in a draw.
Personally, I think It was a TRIBUTE to both !!
You got to figure, "uncle" Bobby Crandall was watching this somewhere today, "Laughing his Arse off"
WHY,
Because for MANY years, he an "HERB" have been friends, and "business enemys" in Texas,(All the while co-existing nicely, with each other.)
AND,
Crandall "hand picked", and "groomed" Arpey many years ago, right out of Arpey's business school !!
IMHO, If this "lunatic" industry shrunk to only 2 carriers IN THE WHOLE WORLD, they would be AA + WN !!
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Common consensus with the media is that WA will go away. The timeline will not be until the Senate works on the FAA reform bill scheduled for 2007. Which gives AA about 18-24 months to get its financial ship in shape to take on WN at DAL.
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I didn't notice Arpey cowering under McCain's questioniung.
I saw grandstanding by a potential presidential candidate. I wonder why McCain has been silent on overseas maintnenance by domestic carriers!
Mr. Arpey dared Southwest to compete at D/FW, which he called the only "level playing field" around, instead of trying to overturn a deal that has let Mr. Kelleher's carrier prosper mightily.
"Southwest tends to depict the Wright amendment as an albatross around its neck," he said, "when in reality it was a victory for them."
Mr. Kelleher pointedly ignored Mr. Arpey's dare to take on American at D/FW, telling senators, "American Airlines does not exactly welcome interlopers with warm milk and graham crackers."
"You ever seen anybody survive at D/FW against American? It's like attacking a mother bear in her den with her cubs," he said during a break in the hearing.
There were plenty of lively exchanges, starting when Mr. Arpey, in his opening remarks, lauded Mr. Kelleher as "a charismatic leader." The Southwest chief puckered and blew a noisy kiss, inches from his counterpart's cheek.
Returning the compliment, Mr. Kelleher lauded his rival for doing a "fabulous job," noting that unlike many big carriers, American has avoided bankruptcy. Similarly, he said, D/FW is doing just fine, growing in a quarter-century into the world's third-busiest airport.
"D/FW Airport has gotten so big that I'm surprised it has not been implicated in a steroids scandal," he said, drawing a smile from Mr. McCain, who has held hearings on steroid use in professional baseball.
"Southwest tends to depict the Wright amendment as an albatross around its neck," he said, "when in reality it was a victory for them."
Mr. Kelleher pointedly ignored Mr. Arpey's dare to take on American at D/FW, telling senators, "American Airlines does not exactly welcome interlopers with warm milk and graham crackers."
"You ever seen anybody survive at D/FW against American? It's like attacking a mother bear in her den with her cubs," he said during a break in the hearing.
There were plenty of lively exchanges, starting when Mr. Arpey, in his opening remarks, lauded Mr. Kelleher as "a charismatic leader." The Southwest chief puckered and blew a noisy kiss, inches from his counterpart's cheek.
Returning the compliment, Mr. Kelleher lauded his rival for doing a "fabulous job," noting that unlike many big carriers, American has avoided bankruptcy. Similarly, he said, D/FW is doing just fine, growing in a quarter-century into the world's third-busiest airport.
"D/FW Airport has gotten so big that I'm surprised it has not been implicated in a steroids scandal," he said, drawing a smile from Mr. McCain, who has held hearings on steroid use in professional baseball.
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