What's the difference between union and an association?

[FWAAA]

The industrial unionists continue to harp on the Northwest-AMFA strike as their evidence that AMFA isn't up to the task.

All NW showed was that bankrupt companies generally kick their employees' asses. Nothing more, nothing less. No union is immune to the overwhelming power granted to the employer in Ch 11. When your employer files for Ch 11 protection, all bets are off. The question people should be asking is how well has AMFA performed at companies not in bankruptcy?

 

[TWU informer]

The industrial unionists continue to harp on the Northwest-AMFA strike as their evidence that AMFA isn't up to the task.

All NW showed was that bankrupt companies generally kick their employees' asses. Nothing more, nothing less. No union is immune to the overwhelming power granted to the employer in Ch 11. When your employer files for Ch 11 protection, all bets are off. The question people should be asking is how well has AMFA performed at companies not in bankruptcy?

Exactly but it goes even deeper than that. The Industrial Unions continue to embrace the idea of involvement in the Political Arena as the battle ground for middle class survival/advancement. They even fight amongst themselves with the division between AFL-CIO and Change to Win factions. Truth is, this is a failed philosophy but because the current Labor Leaders are unaccountable and not suffering the same concessions as the members they don't feel the pain, they are unharmed and continue the same failed experiment. They fight each other and divide amongst themselves while grasping for some idea of change that doesn't eliminate or risk their own fortunes and appointments. Until Labor Leaders arrive again that will risk and sacrifice their own personal welfare for the good of all workers we are screwed. Basically because of greed we have no chance. Truth is that the only political influence they really have anymore is just enough to prevent membership revolt to a better path, or at least another plan. So we fight amongst ourselves in the cycle of doom. Example: Years after the NWA employee shafting by Chapter 11, there was no influence to change the laws and many more workers have now suffered the same defeat. While the leaders live like the kings they claim to despise, the working dues payers suffer defeat after defeat.

 

[xUT]

The industrial unionists continue to harp on the Northwest-AMFA strike as their evidence that AMFA isn't up to the task.

All NW showed was that bankrupt companies generally kick their employees' asses. Nothing more, nothing less. No union is immune to the overwhelming power granted to the employer in Ch 11. When your employer files for Ch 11 protection, all bets are off. The question people should be asking is how well has AMFA performed at companies not in bankruptcy?

AMFA strike began in August (21?), 2005.
NWA (and Delta) filed CH11 on September 14th, 2005. Collusion, NAH! just coincidence...

NWA did not have to request a release since it knew it would file BK well in advance of the strike. Instead, they paid top dollar to house (in hotels), train, provide tooling, transportation and pay salaries for replacement workers months in advance of the strike.
Not to mention hiring Vance Security weeks before the strike.
Make no doubt about it, NWA was dead set to break AMFA, not negotiate.
The NMB didn't have to give a release, even the PEB did not step in when they usually do.
Then when replacement workers didn't do their jobs, the FAA turned a blind eye to gross violations.
Good ole 'Unions' did little to help as well. They were salivating to see AMFA fail.

Tragic chain of events? Sure...
Nothing calculated, just happen stance...

Just my 2 cents,
B) xUT

 

[700UW]

Buy law the NMB has to grant the release, and a PEB is not usually enacted in the airlines, UA mechs, and AA Pilots are the only ones I can remember in the past 20 years.

Now a PEB happens all the time in the railroads and Congress usually legislates their CBA, it can happen in the airlines but hasnt yet.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

A PEB was called at NWA under AMFA, however they settled before the final report was issued.

 

[Thomas Paine]

Buy law the NMB has to grant the release, and a PEB is not usually enacted in the airlines, UA mechs, and AA Pilots are the only ones I can remember in the past 20 years.

Could you give a link to where it says that? I think at this point Airline Mechanics at AA would be much better off to have Congress negotiate their Contract than the TWU. At AA the mechanics turned down a TA, the NMB called off mediation saying there was no point in going forward yet they were never released.

 

[Anomaly]

A union knows how to read the NMB representational filing guidelines, and an association simply takes a stab in the dark and blames others for their mistakes.

That sounds about like amfa....

I am going to have fun with this for a long time boys.....

That and the fact that the mis-informer helped all this to come about by signing a card FOR THE IBT

 

[TWU informer]

A union knows how to read the NMB representational filing guidelines, and an association simply takes a stab in the dark and blames others for their mistakes.

That sounds about like amfa....

I am going to have fun with this for a long time boys.....

That and the fact that the mis-informer helped all this to come about by signing a card FOR THE IBT

How old are you like 12?

 

[Anomaly]

How old are you like 12?

Too much heat for you?

 

[lineguy43]

A PEB was called at NWA under AMFA, however they settled before the final report was issued.

Funny that there was a PEB then but when we had our strike in 2005 there was not a PEB in fact the NMB released AMFA to strike immediately umm when have you EVER seen that happen? No collusion with NWA? Really?