Why is PHX Fleet Service run different than the other Hubs

[cactusboy53]

I, personally, have had one gate supervisor fired. She should really be in federal prison.

PHX is off the charts for federal violations. There are a very few good supervisors. I can see the really bad management that tempe tries to spread around the system. Many times the supervisors should be, um, realigned with reality in any necessary manner. That includes pilots.

As a pilot, I support any employee willing to shuck the nazi directives for the customer. I have and will give them cover, if they need it.

Tempe is unsafe. No other option.

They pressure a crew to close the entry door prior to closing the cargo doors. Tempe had a big meeting with everyone from the VP operations on down last December. A few FAA dudes managed to attend. At the end of the meeting, the company freaks agreed that closing the main entry door was okay, despite evidence otherwise. At the end, an FAA dude stood up and said, well, while what you advocate is currently legal, we do not think you are exhibiting good judgement, in any sense.

So, we have a company willing to compromise safety in order to ensure the CEO's on-time bonus, a pathetic situation if ever I have seen one, despite the fact that closing a cargo door before the entry ensures a departure delay of exactly zero minutes, while placing the passengers and crew at risk. Bastards.

SealBeater;
While you may be a pilot, you are most assuredly a miserable, sniveling shell of a man/woman. You've been slammed and shut down so many times on the pilot labor discussion, that you now are seeking an audience on the PHX ramp / CSR thread.

"I, personally, have had one gate supervisor fired. She should really be in federal prison." What a wonderful person you must be to work with (not). Go sell your doomsday wishes on someone else. No one is buying here.

 

[ograc]

SealBeater;
While you may be a pilot, you are most assuredly a miserable, sniveling shell of a man/woman. You've been slammed and shut down so many times on the pilot labor discussion, that you now are seeking an audience on the PHX ramp / CSR thread.

"I, personally, have had one gate supervisor fired. She should really be in federal prison." What a wonderful person you must be to work with (not). Go sell your doomsday wishes on someone else. No one is buying here.

you both belong on another thread. Since when has the pilot group been the least bit concerned about the issues impacting the lives of your co workers under wing? Be gone!

 

[Nordictom]

I'll chime in to what I see how the differences came about... frankly, it was two different companies and with two very different career expectations which were merged together. If this sounds like an East vs. West thing, then I apologize in advance.

Under America West, being a FSA was not a real job... it did not pay well, but the benefits for part-time were good for pass travel and insurance. The Company did not want people to make a career of this position, and Doug Parker even said as such that he didn't want 15-year ramp agents. The East mentality amongst FSAs was that working for an airline was a plum job, especially back in the early 80s, and once one could get their foot in the door, people don't leave because the pay was good, pension benefits, plus the flight benefits. For West it was just a job, and for East it was a career. Therefore, the dedication to the union and solidarity were vastly different because of the views to the same job, and frankly, the hostility towards Management is not as pronounced.

On occaision, I speak with West co-workers/friends who have transferred out to CLT, ATL, PHL, DCA and RDU, which are mostly East operations, and they tell me the attitudes are completely different about their jobs and Management, in general. There may be an eventual change from the West towards the East view now that the job pays for more and people become more entreched in their long-term career, and they may care enough to keep their career instead of just a throw-out job until something better comes along.

So Hypothesizes Jester.

This is why I took a job with US Air in 1980......... FSA PIT until 1987. When I decided to go back to USAir in 1991 at LAX, what a disappointment, left 1 month later.
You guy's need to get a better union........

NT

 

[nascarjoe]

This is why I took a job with US Air in 1980......... FSA PIT until 1987. When I decided to go back to USAir in 1991 at LAX, what a disappointment, left 1 month later.
You guy's need to get a better union........

NT

In 1991, when you went back to USair at LAX, fleet service didn't have a union. Maybe that's why the disappointment.

 

[Solidarity]

Talk to your members. Discuss contractual issues. Keep them informed of grievences. Explain processes. Engage in meetings. Was that a real question?

I think this is the issue in PHX, maybe if the members were engaged we would see solidarity.

 

[ograc]

I think this is the issue in PHX, maybe if the members were engaged we would see solidarity.

Solidarity,
We cannot and shouldn't expect the members to be engaged when there has been a history of lack of representation or concern for PHX from the District. The opposition slates in this election certainly recognize this and have plans to "fix it." PHX needs and deserves this heightened recognition. Hopefully, when the District actively leads, engagement and involvement will follow. The end result of this process is better solidarity in PHX and better solidarity among our members systemwide.
Fraternally,
ograc

 

[ograc]

Actually, the question is "Will the candidates make themselves and/or their qualifications and beliefs available to the membership." The membership can't be responsible unless the candidates show why they are the best candidates. Seeing a brief summary of each person is nice, but useless. Each candidate should be able to provide at least 150-250 words on why they are right for the job. Also, note that I'm only saying why they're right, not why an opponent is wrong. Those childish games should be left to the Federally elected politicians, who (I hope like hell) are less mature then those who may be running for DL positions.

Duly noted. There will be candidates who ask for support because they feel they can and want an opportunity to do a better job representing the membership. Likewise, there will be candidates who choose to second guess and bash other candidates, as a means to gain support. The members need to consider this issue carefully in June before deciding who gets their support.
ograc