Why there will never be a T.A.

[WeAAsles]

Making a decision on what you're being told rather than what you've seen is the easiest way to obtain "buyers remorse."

In Section 6, you'd need to ensure you everyone's support, if you don't the return in that forum will be less than what you can get now.

Right now, there doesn't seem to be full support (speaking from Fleet perspective) and it's mostly because they haven't seen the details.

Guess how you can get more support? It isn't by asking for it

Due to Social Media and the ability through that tool for everyone to play armchair Quarterback’s you will never be able to have full support no matter what is officially released by those actually in the Negotiations.

Look at you for instance. You’re armchair Quarterbacking to have something to vote on prior to Section 6 for reasons that you have been trying to hammer over and over. You see today we’re all advocates with a platform.

And BTW I hope you’re not gaining your opinions against support off this Forum or the Group page you control where of course you manipulate the emotions through sharing your opinions.

 

[WeAAsles]

Right now, there doesn't seem to be full support (speaking from Fleet perspective) and it's mostly because they haven't seen the details.

Which details do you believe need to be seen? Here are the original proposals again and I don’t think much has changed in regards to what’s still open.

http://www.usaamerger.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Association-Positions-Proposal-Document.pdf

Do you think the Association should inform what they asked for in regards to wages?

I haven’t received everything I want from the Company yet either as far as details on what they’re offering. I want the fine print.

 

[1AA]

Below is a link if anyone is interested in signing an on line petition for the Negotiating team to bring back a TA before the September Section 6 openers.


https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/maintenance-and-related-tentative-agreement.html

Not a good idea for the membership to decide on a contract until it's been reviewed by legal. We are AMT'S not labor attorneys. I wouldn't want a lawyer to turn a wrench on my aircraft. Guys that think this is a good idea are in it for the early out or just see the money.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/472829

 

[WeAAsles]

May 25, 2018

OUR JOBS ARE NOT FOR SALE

“On March 21st, the Association leadership told American that their proposals regarding medical insurance, wages, retirement security, work/job protection and profit sharing were not acceptable. American management then began their failing strategy of negotiating in public, trying to convince American workers to accept their substandard offer. Your strength and solidarity has worked. American has thrown some money on the table even while we are not in negotiations. Keep telling the company to shove their inadequate proposals that outsource work, take away healthcare and weaken retirement. Tell them to get back to the table”

 

[MetalMover]

Not a good idea for the membership to decide on a contract until it's been reviewed by legal. We are AMT'S not labor attorneys. I wouldn't want a lawyer to turn a wrench on my aircraft. Guys that think this is a good idea are in it for the early out or just see the money.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/472829

From what the petition says, I do not see where anyone is asking for a TA signed sight unseen. Speaking of guys who just want the early out, I ask you this...Are they not union members too? Do they not have a right to want something that someone else does not? One member may just care about money while another cares about security while another only cares about medical while another cares about an early out. Who are the rest of us to judge what someone with a different priority may desire? What makes some members wrong and others right?

 

[NYer]

Due to Social Media and the ability through that tool for everyone to play armchair Quarterback’s you will never be able to have full support no matter what is officially released by those actually in the Negotiations.

Look at you for instance. You’re armchair Quarterbacking to have something to vote on prior to Section 6 for reasons that you have been trying to hammer over and over. You see today we’re all advocates with a platform.

And BTW I hope you’re not gaining your opinions against support off this Forum or the Group page you control where of course you manipulate the emotions through sharing your opinions.

That's why it's difficult to have a conversation with you as you tend to put words on people's mouths.

I'm not advocating to vote on something just simply pointing out its at least a 50/50 chance and we have put ourselves in a weaker position than we could have been in.

At this point, it seems the only way we can get something better in Section 6 is if something is put out for a vote and the no side wins. That information taken to the Company and NMB would enable movement on their side.

Saying no outside of that process will do nothing but have the NMB pressure the Association to move towards the Company since they've made their movements towards the Association over the last 11 months, albeit mostly in public.

As you should remember, I pointed out that would be the Company's plan by inviting the NMB to the negotiation sessions many, many months ago. Most dismissed that notion, but here we are.

 

[NYer]

Due to Social Media and the ability through that tool for everyone to play armchair Quarterback’s you will never be able to have full support no matter what is officially released by those actually in the Negotiations.

Don't blame social media, the Association and the individual representatives of the TWU and IAM have used that same medium to propagate their point of views.

There has been a calls for a long time for those Association updates to have more meat on them.

 

[NYer]

NMB facilitates not negotiates.

The NMB will control the entire process including pushing sides to move off their position.

The airline has been systematically moving towards the Association over the last several months and will likely do so again this week.

Who's turn do you believe it will be to move if we end up in Section 6? And what will be left to move on? Likely Scope and the Medical.

 

[AANOTOK]

NMB facilitates not negotiates.

It doesn't matter, Section 6 is more Corporate friendly than Labor friendly.
Also another tool to drag it out.

 

[WeAAsles]

That's why it's difficult to have a conversation with you as you tend to put words on people's mouths.

I'm not advocating to vote on something just simply pointing out its at least a 50/50 chance and we have put ourselves in a weaker position than we could have been in.

At this point, it seems the only way can get something better in Section 6 is if something is put out for a vote and the no side wins That information taken to the Company and NMB would enable movement on their side.

Saying no outside of that process will do nothing but have the NMB pressure the Association to move towards the Company since they've made their movements towards the Association over the last 11 months, albeit mostly in public.

As you should remember, I pointed out that would be the Company's plan by inviting the NMB to the negotiation sessions many, many months ago. Most dismissed that notion, but here we are.

You’ve written nothing new here that you haven’t already conveyed too many times to count.

You do realize your level of repetitiveness is incredibly extreme.

 

[NYer]

You’ve written nothing new here that you haven’t already conveyed too many times to count.

You do realize your level of repetitiveness is incredibly extreme.

Then stop engaging.

 

[WeAAsles]

There has been a calls for a long time for those Association updates to have more meat on them.

Correct and you’re the one who has been leading that charge stirring other more easily led Members on and precipitating and propagating them to be frustrated.

On this issue I feel you have been the seed of the weed.

 

[NYer]

Correct and you’re the one who has been leading that charge stirring other more easily led Members on and precipitating and propagating them to be frustrated.

On this issue I feel you have been the seed of the weed.

So I'm creating frustration you say doesn't exist on a page you say nobody reads.

Interesting.

 

[WeAAsles]

Then stop engaging.

No. Although I realize having me out there as a bulwark to the narrative you want to propel is frustrating the more you continue to repeat as a psychological means to try to push your agenda through, the more I have to point that out.

It’s actually nothing personal. I just get the feeling your agenda could lose me some Economic value long term?

 

[WeAAsles]

So I'm creating frustration you say doesn't exist on a page you say nobody reads.

Interesting.

Absolutely not to the level that you allude to exists. The PROOF is out there. Go look at the Facebook Group pages besides the one you control and read the comments on Jetnet besides from that THE TRUTH goofball.

I have noticed that some of the posters that have been showing frustrations are friends of yours here in MIA. Why is that?