Why there will never be a T.A.

[WeAAsles]

Sticking together will work for all! As far as voting on a last offer, if we vote as a NC to do so, then that will occur.

P. Rez

Well thanks to Airline Forums and Facebook the Company now knows they have at least one renegade on the Negotiations committee unfortunately.

 

[WeAAsles]

You really can't have an adult conversation.

bye-bye.

Sorry what do you want from me if your own words betray you?

 

[NYer]

Sticking together will work for all! As far as voting on a last offer, if we vote as a NC to do so, then that will occur.

P. Rez

Can't happen any other way.

 

[WeAAsles]

Good Lord.

The NMB certified the Fleet Association, Maintenance Association and Stores Association.

If the the NMB chooses to separate the groups, then they will. If you believe a Mediator won't be able to keep the subject and arguments separate then you're delusional.

They could schedule Fleet to meet in Frisco, Maintenance in DC and Stores in DFW on the same day at the same time. Like to see how two guys split themselves to pull that off.

I’m not sure if that was your experience going through the process yourself but I don’t recall multiple Mediators being assigned to AA? Not saying that there weren’t but I don’t recall multiple names?

In all the US talks the same mediator was assigned to all three groups from what I was informed and they always met in the same place.

Do you have any Labor History you can show that your scenario may become a possibility or a fact?

 

[WeAAsles]

NYer would you care to comment on this little find I came up with doing a simple search?

Kind of shoots a big hole in both your theory and your foot.

August 16, 2011


The National Mediation Board has a limited number of mediators and resources and they are assigning them where the parties are closer to an agreement and need help closing. This already happened with the A.A. Flight Attendants and A.A. Pilots. The Pilots and AA agreed to keep negotiating without the NMB and have made progress. The TWU M&R committee made progress last week with two more articles tentatively agreed to. However, there are still open items on compensation and retirement. The TWU intends to continue negotiating just as the Pilots have and American has agreed to do so. “I am disappointed in the mediator’s decision not to continue to schedule and mediate negotiations but am glad that we can continue to meet with the company to make progress toward gaining a fair contract for our members.” said Sam Cirri

John Hewitt, TWU 514 Chairman of Maintenance said, “I’m glad the mediator is out of the way so we can meet on our schedule more often than the mediator’s schedule. Hopefully this will speed up the process.”

John Carlise, TWU 514 Chairman of Plant Maintenance, said, “This is not an attempt to stop the TWU from getting a contract with AA I feel like we now have an opportunity to complete the process in future negotiations without mediation.

 

[WeAAsles]

TWU Local 555 SWA Summer of 2014 Newsletter. First paragraph.

 

[AANOTOK]

Unity of 30,000 is the answer!!

P. Rez

How about putting something out for a vote. That way when 30,000 vote no it will have AA with it's tail between it's legs retreating and rethinking it's offer. Surely you feel you have the majority on your side (some here do) therefore I don't see a better way of sending a stronger message.
Currently, no message is being sent. To deprive the membership any type of vote because you feel the majority will pass it borderlines on the opposite of unionism. I as possibly the majority have no say until you, possibly the minority say I do. Something just isn't right there.

 

[NYer]

Good.

Continue to do your research.

As far your articles:

Over the next several months leading towards the AMR BK, the Stores NC continued to negotiate with the assistance of Mediator Jack Kane. (even though not scheduling for Maintenance)

The Fleet NC requested to have meetings scheduled, with the assistance of Mediator Terri Brown and reached a TA in October.

One of the tactics used by the NMB is to not schedule meetings, which allows for the two parties to continue to meet but the NMB will only scheduled more meetings if there is progress made, as mentioned in the Cerf article. That forces movement as a continual "no" only stops the talks. Either there's movement or there are no talks and the Mediator decides who needs to move.

 

[WeAAsles]

One of the tactics used by the NMB is to not schedule meetings, which allows for the two parties to continue to meet but the NMB will only scheduled more meetings if there is progress made, as mentioned in the Cerf article. That forces movement as a continual "no" only stops the talks. Either there's movement or there are no talks and the Mediator decides who needs to move.

I’m sorry but I must have missed that part in the two items I posted? “The Mediator decides who needs to move”

I don’t think I’ve read that anywhere? I am reading that the Mediator won’t schedule any more meetings unless “someone” is going to move though. Don’t think they care at all who the movement comes from?

Now referencing the Cirri update and my own personal recollection I think everyone was glad the Mediator got out of the way and the sides could continue the talks how they felt most comfortable. The 514 update even referenced a TA with the Mediator gone.

But anyway again can you provide me any linked proof that the “Mediator” makes any decisions on movement for either the Union or the Company? Trust me I have searched for that information.

Oh and BTW if the two sides can continue to meet and aren’t restricted to do so by Law, who the hell cares what’s the schedule like or availability of the Mediator anyway?

You seem to assign a lot of power to these Mediators?

 

[NYer]

Now referencing the Cirri update and my own personal recollection I think everyone was glad the Mediator got out of the way and the sides could continue the talks how they felt most comfortable. The 514 update even referenced a TA with the Mediator gone.

HAHAHAHHAAA.

And why do you think they wanted to get rid of the Mediator? Hint. They weren't getting what they wanted and they weren't meeting with the airline.

Can't get a deal without meeting. Like the paragraph from Cerf said, in order to schedule more meetings there needed to be movement.

 

[WeAAsles]

To deprive the membership any type of vote because you feel the majority will pass it borderlines on the opposite of unionism. I as possibly the majority have no say until you, possibly the minority say I do.

Not trying to get back into a feud with you but where did P. Rez say that he didn’t want to agree to have a vote prior to Section 6 or that he was depriving anyone of a vote because he felt the majority would pass it?

Have you spoken to Fa about what his opinions are for what is floating out there from the Company right now and if he wants to send us just any old any old?

 

[WeAAsles]

HAHAHAHHAAA.

And why do you think they wanted to get rid of the Mediator? Hint. They weren't getting what they wanted and they weren't meeting with the airline.

Can't get a deal without meeting. Like the paragraph from Cerf said, in order to schedule more meetings there needed to be movement.

Ok so essentially the two sides weren’t moving off their positions and the Mediator had no ability to force either of them to move.

Ok thanks for finally clearing that up. Have a nice weekend.

 

[NYer]

You seem to assign a lot of power to these Mediators?

Nah! They're toothless. That's why Labor always wins. 😵

 

[WeAAsles]

Nah! They're toothless. That's why Labor always wins. 😵

You already cleared that up for us. Thank you again.

Have a nice weekend.

 

[NYer]

Ok so essentially the two sides weren’t moving off their positions and the Mediator had no ability to force either of them to move.

Ok thanks for finally clearing that up. Have a nice weekend.

You're an absolute lost cause.

Done with you.