Wich Union Will .....

[amt4u]

hi everyone, wich union shall represent us after the merger,

TEAMSTERS
or
IAMAW.

a friend. 🙂

 

[calibrator]

hi everyone, wich union shall represent us after the merger,

TEAMSTERS
or
IAMAW.

a friend. 🙂

[post="303044"][/post]​

That's like inviting a cancer cell into your body.

 

[jetmech01890]

time for a change out with the crummy IAM

 

[menyou]

My feelings are known.

Teamsters

The only reason people would vote for IAM is to keep their senority. I agree that it is a sticky issue but it is not smart to vote them. The teamsters has a better union with more money.

Senority does not pay the house payment. Senority does not pay for food for the family.

Teamsters contract offers more money than IAM's which isn't ammendable until 2010? Lets use our heads on this one and vote for the one that makes the most sense. Benefits are better with Teamsters. Money is better. Security is better. And that is all with the old contract. That doesn't include the new contract which will get us more money.

Hello????? Wake up everyone. At least 250 of you already have.

 

[umech]

i have to agree with you, the teamsters are better i hope the rest of pit or clt will see it that way.

by the way; i feel the iam sold us out in the last bunkrrupcy. 🙂

 

[DR.EVIL]

My feelings are known.

Teamsters

The only reason people would vote for IAM is to keep their senority. I agree that it is a sticky issue but it is not smart to vote them. The teamsters has a better union with more money.

Senority does not pay the house payment. Senority does not pay for food for the family.

Teamsters contract offers more money than IAM's which isn't ammendable until 2010? Lets use our heads on this one and vote for the one that makes the most sense. Benefits are better with Teamsters. Money is better. Security is better. And that is all with the old contract. That doesn't include the new contract which will get us more money.

Hello????? Wake up everyone. At least 250 of you already have.

[post="303204"][/post]​

Oh we're wide awake. Seniority is all we have left at usair. I'll be damned if I'm gonna throw that away on some teamster lies. If anyone thinks the teamsters are going to come in and sweep us off our feet and negotiate some great new contract is smoking dope. Just look what happened at Northwest, and that was before they went BK. The teamsters and iam are big business and just want the dues money, but until we secure ALL of our seniority any change would be stupid. It is obvious what your motives are menyou!! You are looking to GAIN seniority that you haven't EARNED. Nice try but I see thru you like an open window.You'll need alot more than 250 cards to take away all my hard earned years. SENIORITY rules, and you don't seem to have much. 🙁 Besides, I'm thinking about coming out west to be your new lead!! 😉

 

[Phantom Fixer]

Regardless of how any U IAM member feels about the IAM itself , the facts of the matter are "Senority" and how many a given contract keeps employed and where?

U's agreement with the IAM is but a fraction of what it once was....no ifs ands or buts about it. However...the contract keeps senority in tact...and keeps all the Airbus narrow body maintenance in-house , along with 50% of the heavy work on the remaining Boeing 737-300/400's. This in my opinion is the entire remaining battle....and its damn sure worth keeping intact.

Sure...The Teamsters contract with HP might have a few added perks....but how many does it protect? Vs. what the IAM agreement with U ? Wanna give away more of your work...go ahead and cut of your nose to spite your face.

HP's contract with the IBT would easily say good-bye to at least 700 more mechanics at presnt day U....so if you are really a trade-unionist in its intended form...which way are you going to vote if it means more of the ALPA style of "Eating your young"?

 

[DR.EVIL]

Regardless of how any U IAM member feels about the IAM itself , the facts of the matter are "Senority" and how many a given contract keeps employed and where?

U's agreement with the IAM is but a fraction of what it once was....no ifs ands or buts about it. However...the contract keeps senority in tact...and keeps all the Airbus narrow body maintenance in-house , along with 50% of the heavy work on the remaining Boeing 737-300/400's. This in my opinion is the entire remaining battle....and its damn sure worth keeping intact.

Sure...The Teamsters contract with HP might have a few added perks....but how many does it protect? Vs. what the IAM agreement with U ? Wanna give away more of your work...go ahead and cut of your nose to spite your face.

HP's contract with the IBT would easily say good-bye to at least 700 more mechanics at presnt day U....so if you are really a trade-unionist in its intended form...which way are you going to vote if it means more of the ALPA style of "Eating your young"?

[post="303324"][/post]​

You are right on the money Phantom. Its really sad to say after the beating we took that our pos contract is still better than many left out there. Threads like this is to get the foolish to give away what little they have left, and to give something to others that was not earned.

 

[Smartest Loser]

The news says if oil stays high then mgt. MIGHT come back for round 6 or 7 and want ALL maintenance OUTSOURCED. Who knows...??

This opening of a contract once signed has to stop.

SL

 

[N617P]

IAM will prevail 35% rule.

Lets keep in mind that our pay and benefits went below the contract that the teamsters negotiated for HP.But only by a small margin.

First it was Vasaline

Then vasaline with sand

and then vasaline with gravel

Now just shardes of glass up my A$$$!!!!!!!!!!

All I have is SENIORTY and I will not switch unions till well after integration.

 

[MOC A320]

Regardless of how any U IAM member feels about the IAM itself , the facts of the matter are "Senority" and how many a given contract keeps employed and where?

U's agreement with the IAM is but a fraction of what it once was....no ifs ands or buts about it. However...the contract keeps senority in tact...and keeps all the Airbus narrow body maintenance in-house , along with 50% of the heavy work on the remaining Boeing 737-300/400's. This in my opinion is the entire remaining battle....and its damn sure worth keeping intact.

Sure...The Teamsters contract with HP might have a few added perks....but how many does it protect? Vs. what the IAM agreement with U ? Wanna give away more of your work...go ahead and cut of your nose to spite your face.

HP's contract with the IBT would easily say good-bye to at least 700 more mechanics at presnt day U....so if you are really a trade-unionist in its intended form...which way are you going to vote if it means more of the ALPA style of "Eating your young"?

[post="303324"][/post]​

They can move those Airbus C checks to any part of the country and the same with the 737 C checks. So how many in Pitt are going to move to PHX where houses cost 3 x that in Pitts.

 

[Phantom Fixer]

They can move those Airbus C checks to any part of the country and the same with the 737 C checks. So how many in Pitt are going to move to PHX where houses cost 3 x that in Pitts.

[post="303397"][/post]​

Whatever , You Company Stooge !!

If all the Airbus Narrow Body "S-Checks" remain in house..or if 50% of the Boeing 737-300/400's remain in-house...its still light-years beyond what HP's current contract with the IBT allows.

You have to be in MOC....cuz you can't figure the difference between an MEL and whats cost effective to fix within the confines of an MEL.

Purse your lips later....with yet another screen name.

I'll take 100 percent of the Airbus Narrow Body S Checks and 50% of the Boeing 737-300/400 Q's overe 0 % of either anyday

Do the math Lacky's....The IAM may have not preserved all we hoped for...but the IAM Vs. the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea of nothing is not a gamble that anyone with more than two brain cells needs to bet against.

Unless you are a complete moron...and Management Stooge...or an HP person wrongfully in fear of your job? Do not fear for your job....as the overlap between the two companies is limited in most respects.

The greater fear of job loss..is in all respects accepting the IBT over the IAM....look at what the jump from the IAM to AMFA has done for UA or NW for example. They gave away the store in regards to Heavy Maintenance..and by doing so.....Chapter 11 has opened things up for more.

NW and AMFA has lead to 100% job loss ( understood under the conditions)...and UA was almost a 60% give away without even a fight.

 

[MOC A320]

Whatever , You Company Stooge !!

If all the Airbus Narrow Body "S-Checks" remain in house..or if 50% of the Boeing 737-300/400's remain in-house...its still light-years beyond what HP's current contract with the IBT allows.

You have to be in MOC....cuz you can't figure the difference between an MEL and whats cost effective to fix within the confines of an MEL.

Purse your lips later....with yet another screen name.

I'll take 100 percent of the Airbus Narrow Body S Checks and 50% of the Boeing 737-300/400 Q's overe 0 % of either anyday

Do the math Lacky's....The IAM may have not preserved all we hoped for...but the IAM Vs. the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea of nothing is not a gamble that anyone with more than two brain cells needs to bet against.

Unless you are a complete moron...and Management Stooge...or an HP person wrongfully in fear of your job? Do not fear for your job....as the overlap between the two companies is limited in most respects.

The greater fear of job loss..is in all respects accepting the IBT over the IAM....look at what the jump from the IAM to AMFA has done for UA or NW for example. They gave away the store in regards to Heavy Maintenance..and by doing so.....Chapter 11 has opened things up for more.

NW and AMFA has lead to 100% job loss ( understood under the conditions)...and UA was almost a 60% give away without even a fight.

[post="303404"][/post]​

You must get paid by the IAM to say what everyone else has given up.

Look around the IAM only has the Single isle Airbus S check and 50 % of the 737. The IAM sold out on 50 % of the 737 and 100% of the 757, 767 and A320. Get paid less than most airlines. The sick pay is great, get paid 4 hours for a 8 hour sick call. Lets see what else, can not get more than time and a half and lose 3 weeks vacation. Lost holidays and lost push backs, lost back shops ect. ect. ect and when this merger is done the IAM will still have more on the streets than working. The IAM DID A GREAT JOB. The Teamster contract is moving forward from where it began . The IAM is moving backwards.

 

[700UW]

It seems to be you forgot that US has filed bankruptcy twice in the past two years and held a gun to labor's head.

The IBT contract scope language permits and HP does outsource 100% of heavy maintenance, is that too hard of a concept to understand while the IAM/US contract scope language covers 100% of the A320 family and 50% of the 737 work.

And that final offer voted on by the membership was not a tentative agreement, it was a final offer thrown to the IAM by the company after the judge abrogated the contract.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[MOC A320]

It seems to be you forgot that US has filed bankruptcy twice in the past two years and held a gun to labor's head.

The IBT contract scope language permits and HP does outsource 100% of heavy maintenance, is that too hard of a concept to understand while the IAM/US contract scope language covers 100% of the A320 family and 50% of the 737 work.

And that final offer voted on by the membership was not a tentative agreement, it was a final offer thrown to the IAM by the company after the judge abrogated the contract.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

[post="303414"][/post]​

[/quote
No one held a gun to labors head to vote yes and if the IAM had no say in the contract then why have the IAM or pay dues. The dues went up as the pay went down.

Oh thats right all the techs out of work.