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[700UW]

The membership voted, that is how it works, not the IAM leadership of negotiating committee, the members, rank and file ratified it.

And there was some modification from the first final offer to the one the membership ratified.

And if it was not passed the company was free to impose ANY terms as Judge Mitchell abrogated the previous contract.

I guess you fail to grasp labor was not in the driver's seat when your company is in bankruptcy.

 

[MOC A320]

The membership voted, that is how it works, not the IAM leadership of negotiating committee, the members, rank and file ratified it.

And there was some modification from the first final offer to the one the membership ratified.

And if it was not passed the company was free to impose ANY terms as Judge Mitchell abrogated the previous contract.

I guess you fail to grasp labor was not in the driver's seat when your company is in bankruptcy.

[post="303442"][/post]​

I grasp all of it, from the first bankruptcy to the second to the lay offs. To the vote of a contract the company wrote. The IAM is not worth the dues that are payed to them. Why have them? The contract is now writen the way the company wanted it. So what did the IAM do? If the company wanted to farm out all of the S checks, that is how the contract would have been writen. So again why have the IAM?

 

[700UW]

wrong again, they wrote so it would pass, no one in their right mind would vote for a contract that would have only left 700 line mechanics, and if you have not realized it by now the company does not want to be in the overhaul business.

 

[MOC A320]

wrong again, they wrote so it would pass, no one in their right mind would vote for a contract that would have only left 700 line mechanics, and if you have not realized it by now the company does not want to be in the overhaul business.

[post="303487"][/post]​

The company didn't care, they had the courts ability to get anything they wanted. Did you forget what you just wrote.


"And if it was not passed the company was free to impose ANY terms as Judge Mitchell abrogated the previous contract. "


So what did the IAM do?

 

[calibrator]

The membership voted, that is how it works, not the IAM leadership of negotiating committee, the members, rank and file ratified it.

And there was some modification from the first final offer to the one the membership ratified.

And if it was not passed the company was free to impose ANY terms as Judge Mitchell abrogated the previous contract.

I guess you fail to grasp labor was not in the driver's seat when your company is in bankruptcy.

[post="303442"][/post]​

Your constant defense of the indefensible is beyond astonishing, it shows just how far out of touch the people in union leadership actually are. What you are implying is that paying union dues is a total waste of money because of BK, that the unions have absolutely no control. Fine, I say get rid of the leeches, the unions, since they are helpless victims you are making them.

Real leaders would take drastic actions and NOT do exactly what you're condoning and saying: “Oh it's not the unions fault because of BK".

You should stop posting because the more you do, the more irrelevant you make unions look.

 

[700UW]

if there was labor unrest they would not have been able to get financing and the ATSB would have called in the loan and there wold have been no merger, that is why the company wanted a vote and not impose a harsher offer.

The only person that is irrelevant is you CAL as you are not an IAM member nor a US employee.

You are obsessed.

 

[jetmech01890]

700 uw words dont describe you but this says it all

 

[jetmech01890]

oh yeah I dont want to leave dell dude out

 

[umech]

oh yeah I dont want to leave dell dude out

[post="303557"][/post]​

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yes, 700w and deldude what a combo.

i say the teamsters are worth a try.

iam .... tired of it. 🙂

 

[menyou]

K....dont we both have the Allegheny-Mohawk in our contracts? Yes. We do. It is not going to matter which union we go with the outcome will be the same for the union intergration.

Specifically, the LPP terms provide:

Section 2(a). The term "merger" as used herein means
joint action by the two carriers whereby they unify,
consolidate, merge, or pool in whole or in part their
separate airline facilities or any of the operations or
services previously performed by them through such
separate facilities.

* * *

Section 3. Insofar as the merger affects the seniority
rights of the carriers' employees, provisions shall be

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made for the integration of seniority lists in a fair and
equitable manner, including, where applicable,
agreement through collective bargaining between the
carriers and the representative of the employees
affected. In the event of failure to agree, the dispute
may be submitted by either party for adjustment in
accordance with section 13.

* * *

Section 13(a). In the event that any dispute or
controversy . . . arises with respect to the protections
provided herein, which cannot be settled by the parties
within 20 days after the controversy arises, it may be
referred by any party to an arbitrator selected from a
panel of seven names furnished by the National
Mediation Board for consideration and determination.

(Labor Protective Provisions, sections 2(a), 3, and 13(a)).2

So Wouldn't it be better to go with the union that has more to offer.

Senority doesn't mean #### to me. I am bottom now and will be bottom no matter how we merge. I dont want a pay cut. I want benefits. Bottom Line.

 

[700UW]

You might not get a paycut, but you will get layoffs because HP does not do heavy maintenance and US does.

 

[calibrator]

You might not get a paycut, but you will get layoffs because HP does not do heavy maintenance and US does.

[post="303814"][/post]​

The morning you wake up from your dream 700 and have to find a real job to support your family, you will need counseling from the shock of not getting on here 20 times a day telling everyone how stupid they are. “Factâ€￾ is 700, the smart ones left or are leaving, most leaving behind unions dues too...lol

I now work for GECAS, you know the one with 1200 aircraft and 12 billion dollar profit last year, the ones making your sorry ### sore....lol


Bye 700 take care of that family the best you can, you can always call the union for food if and when it comes to it.....

With Love--- your pal

 

[700UW]

What an intelligent post, NOT!

So the 28,000 workers at US do not have real jobs?

And the job I have now pays the bills.

GE Commercial Aviation Service (GECAS) provides a wide range of fleet, financing and productivity solutions to the commercial aviation industry. Our business is truly global, with more than 200 airline customers covering more than 60 countries.

We offer a wide array of aircraft types on operating lease including narrowbodies, widebodies, regional jets and freighters; provide secured loans and other structured financing solutions; offer a variety of engine and spare parts leasing and financing services; and can help train pilots.

GECAS is the financial arm of GE that leases planes I doubt you work for GECAS, GE maybe, but not GECAS, so try again.

Interesting, GECAS has no offices or locations in PIT.

GECAS

Keep trying and maybe telling the truth would be a good start.

 

[NeedForSpeed]

You might not get a paycut, but you will get layoffs because HP does not do heavy maintenance and US does.

[post="303814"][/post]​

This is a classic!!!!! Same old BLAH......BLAHH.....BLAHHHHH......Just wait, 700..Your Holy Grail....YOUR Contract, Oh wait...the contract that the MEMBERSHIP voted on...LOL..Do you really, TRULY believe that the maint that is being performed inhouse by U is going to continue??? The first chance they get, it is GONE!! (i'm talking 737).....Contract LANGUAGE means NOTHING!!!....You know as well as I....These carriers are sending heavy maint., as well as other work to 3rd party MRO's.....But when this DOES happen....make sure you take a copy of that CBA with you to bed, and hold it nice and close to you!!!!One more thing... there is another surprise awaiting PIT.....Give it maybe a month or two.....Developing!!!!.....GOOD DAY!!!

 

[700UW]

Contract language means nothing?

Gee I guess the Airbus Arbitration means nothing to you?

It proves the scope language is relevant and what is written in the contract stands.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

And arbitrations are precedent setting, the scope language has been tested by the company and the IAM prevailed, not the company.

But hey, why let the facts get in the way of one of your rants?

And the company had the chance in bankruptcy to get rid of all heavy and they did not.