Will SWA buy, or merge with another airline in the near future?
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WorldTraveler
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is this where **I** get to say ITYS?
http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/delta-air-lines-will-be-able-to-remain-at-dallas-love-field-through-the-end-of-the-year.html/
the only thing that got hit on the head is you with the 2X4 of reality that I said you would have to face.
http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/delta-air-lines-will-be-able-to-remain-at-dallas-love-field-through-the-end-of-the-year.html/
the only thing that got hit on the head is you with the 2X4 of reality that I said you would have to face.
robbedagain
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No because no court has ruled against the Wright Amendment Reform Act, WN won't roll back any flights, and WN will be using all of its 16 gates in Jan.WorldTraveler said:
You claimed those things.
This deal isn't done yet and Delta may not get space for all 5 of their flights.
It is a temporary solution by WN to help the passengers Delta tried to screw by selling them tickets from gates they don't have.
WN will be using all 16 gates in Jan without sharing them with Delta.
The only way Delta will get to stay, is if the lease holders aren't using their gates to full capacity and schedules don't conflict.
No lease holder will be forced to give up space in the event of conflict.
It has been pointed out to you over and over as it is spelled out in the scarce resource provision in the leases.
If United uses their gates fully in Jan, Delta is gone.
This process is playing out just as the Law says, when the gates are full, Delta is gone.
If Delta forces leaseholders to change schedules then you can say ITYS.
Until then, don't hold your breath.
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No not at all. this is only a temp fix to accommodate the passengers which will soon be full blown SWA customers by 1-6-15.WorldTraveler said:
By no means is this a perm. fix. SWA will dictate just how and for how long that gate will be used. Now Delta is directly controled by SWA's rules and regs as SWA owns the gates that Delta will be able to use on a temp basis, just like a puppet on strings. Can someone pls cue the cartoon pics of SWA holding and controlling the puppet strings with Delta dangling at the end of the strings?
Since you want to claim victory in this thread too, please allow me to retort.WorldTraveler said:
You claim victory in the first quarter of the game.
Wn was not forced to share gates at this time, they are offering voluntary accommodation for a limited time until jan 6 when WN will claim their schedules conflict.
There is a process and the only way Delta gets space is if a lease holder is not using its gates to full capacity.
A some point soon(WN says Jan 6) Wn will be at a capacity where they will not voluntarily accommodate Delta.
At some other point they will be using their gates to the capacity that they wont be able to accommodate Delta on a forced basis either.
That is when Delta will either have to use United's or VX gates or leave Love Field.
That is the point when Delta will have to decide if they have a shot in court.
This process will have to play out but WN will keep FULL preferential use of their 16 gates as long as they are FULLY used.
I have posted the links that explain the process of a entrant requesting to be accommodated and how the final result will be determined.
I will try one last time.
This is the plain English straight from the new Love Field leases.
Pay attention to the parts in RED.
There is more in the lease at the link below if you want to read it in its entirety. I cut and pasted to save space.
http://www.4eval.com/Dallas/AVI/Forms/Exhibit%202%20-%2003-24-09%20-%20Use%20and%20Lease%20Agreement%20-%20Master%20-%20FINAL).pdf
4. To the extent a new entrant carrier seeks to begin service at the Airport, the City will seek voluntary accommodation from its existing airline lessees to accommodate the new entrant service as provided for in Section 4.06.E below. If the existing carriers are not able or are not willing to accommodate the new entrant service, then the City agrees to require the sharing of Airlines’ Preferential Use Space and Gates, also as provided for in Section 4.06.E below.
C. Preferential Rights to the Use of Gates. Airline is granted the preferential use of its assigned Gate(s). At those times that Airline has no scheduled use for one or more of its assigned Gate(s), Airline will allow other scheduled or nonscheduled airlines authorized by City to use Airport facilities to use such Gate(s), as circumstances and the public interest may require, for loading and unloading only, but in no event shall said use by others take precedence over Airline's scheduled use. For the purposes of this subsection, the term ―scheduled use‖ shall mean a reasonable amount of time, up to thirty (30) minutes, before an aircraft arrives at a Gate and after an aircraft leaves a Gate. Further, Airline may require such non-preferential airline user to enter into an agreement with Airline to provide adequate insurance and to indemnify Airline from liability in the use of the premises.
F. Accommodation of Requesting Airlines. Airline and City agree that although most of the airline areas in the Terminal Building are or will be leased to Signatory Airlines for their exclusive or preferential use, and Terminal Building facilities at the Airport may become a scarce resource if a new entrant airline (―Requesting Airline‖) requests to provide service at the Airport. In such circumstances, Airline agrees to accommodate such Requesting Airline at its Leased Premises at such times that will not unduly interfere with its operating schedule and upon such reasonable terms as may be agreed upon between Airline and the Requesting Airlines, taking into consideration all the circumstances of such an accommodation agreement. In order to facilitate City’s role in the accommodation procedure outlined in 1-4 below, Airline shall provide City with a monthly report tracking Airline’s Gate assignment and Gate usage data. To insure compliance with this obligation and to provide open access and uniform treatment for all airline tenants, the following procedure is established:
1. All requests for airline accommodation in the terminal facilities will be received by the DOA.
2.
In the event the Requesting Airline has demonstrated to the DOA that it has contacted all airlines and has exhausted all reasonable efforts to secure accommodations, the Director will notify all Signatory Airlines in writing that if Requesting Airline is not accommodated within thirty (30) days from the receipt of notice, the Director will select one of the Signatory Airlines to comply with the request for accommodation in a non-
discriminatory manner.
3. At the end of said thirty (30) day period, if the Requesting Airline has not been accommodated, the Director may select a Signatory Airline to accommodate the Requesting Airline and, in that event, will send written notice to that Signatory Airline to accommodate Requesting Airline within thirty (30) days from the receipt of said notice. The Director will include in such notice the reason or reasons why the particular Signatory Airline was selected. The selected Signatory Airline will have ten (10) days after receipt of said notice to comment on or dispute such selection.
4. Unless the Director rescinds such selection within said thirty (30) day period, the Signatory Airline will accommodate the Requesting Airline by sharing a portion of its Leased Premises (ticket counter positions, baggage make-up area, holdroom, aircraft parking position, passenger loading bridge and other appurtenant equipment reasonably necessary for the effective use of such space), subject to the following conditions:
a. In case of a conflict between schedules of the Signatory Airline and the Requesting Airline, the Signatory Airline will have priority in use of its personnel and its Leased Premises,
b. If requested to accommodate another carrier pursuant to this paragraph, the Signatory Airline will use its good faith efforts to effect such accommodation in a reasonable and equitable manner.
Kev3188
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Nope.WorldTraveler said:
Gate access at Love Field is being discussed here:
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/57698-city-of-dallas-tells-delta-it-can-no-longer-fly-out-of-love-field/
WorldTraveler
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and again, WN isn't doing this out of the goodness of their heart.
They see a major legal risk by playing the hand of DL.
and, yes, Kev, what happens IS connected to WN's other strategic plans including their rumored but unlikely interest in a merger with AS, another DL stronghold. Given that DL has succeeded in pushing WN back in other key competitive markets, what happens at DAL is absolutely important to WN's future strategic plans, AS included or not.
WN simply doesn't have the low costs to get into a major strategic pushing match with a major competitor.
WN is wisely trying to diffuse the situation
Kev3188
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That's nice. Still the wrong thread. An orderly board makes for a more pleasant board experience. Please do your part.
WorldTraveler
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except the world isn't cut into the nice little boxes that you want it to be.
the vast majority of voters ARE NOT single issue voters.
WN is also smart enough to remember how much their history is filled with legal fights that took away from achieving multiple other strategic goals.
WN is on the cusp of one of the largest strategic growth spurts in its history. It cannot afford to have it be sidelined by having to accommodate one carrier and a half dozen flights.
DAL needs to come up with a plan for everyone at DAL to accommodate new entrant carriers but WN knows - and all DL expects - is that federal regulations require accommodation.
WN is smart to avoid a lengthy legal battle.
Kev3188
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WorldTraveler
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you can ask for the thread to be locked then.
there is absolutely no proof that WN will merge with anyone, esp. considering that Gary's statement specifically says that WN will focus on growing internally, with a focus on international routes.
there is absolutely no proof that WN will merge with anyone, esp. considering that Gary's statement specifically says that WN will focus on growing internally, with a focus on international routes.
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