You can take my lanyard, but you can never take my freedom

[700UW]

It seems the pilot group is being subject to the harsh treatment the other employee groups have for some time . (Agents) This type of management style has speared into the pilot group. Uniforms, training test, attendance, application of the contracts, application of work policy and work conditions. Hate and discontent all around for every body now

People dont forget it was the pilots concessions in 92 gave the company the green light to devastate the non-union employees, flew over the picket line in 92 against the IAM mechanic and related and most of all the current seniority debacle.

You reap what you sew.

 

[Dog Wonder]

i suppose it's about time they addressed the gang activity here ... because in some cases i feel that's what the pilots have become , modern day gang memebers , and their lanyards are nothing more than their "colors "..

Ah, pilots are gangsters trashing the 'hood.

You think they got some crack stashed in those lanyards?

 

[767one]

People dont forget it was the pilots concessions in 92 gave the company the green light to devastate the non-union employees, flew over the picket line in 92 against the IAM mechanic and related and most of all the current seniority debacle.

You reap what you sew.
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[700UW]

I think your confused, back in 1992 your group gave the first concessions, and then the company imposed their draconian concessions on non-union employees, then AFA gave and we went on strike and gave concessions.

 

[767one]

I think your confused, back in 1992 your group gave the first concessions, and then the company imposed their draconian concessions on non-union employees, then AFA gave and we went on strike and gave concessions.

My apologies. I was confused about the timing. Yes we did give at that time.


Bob

 

[700UW]

Its all good.

 

[nycbusdriver]

People dont forget it was the pilots concessions in 92 gave the company the green light to devastate the non-union employees, flew over the picket line in 92 against the IAM mechanic and related and most of all the current seniority debacle.

You reap what you sew.

What concessions in 92? The pilots gave up pay on a temporary basis, to be paid back in full (with interest) when the company became profitable. I gave up NOTHING in 92 that I didn't recoup fully a few years later. The other employee groups pretty much fell into line with similar deals. Only the mechanics were intransigent, and that caused a lot of resentment. If Wolf had been in charge instead of "Deer in the Headlights" Schofield, the IAM would have have been broken (as they possibly should have been at the time.)

 

[nycbusdriver]

(duplicate)

 

[700UW]

Go ask the non-union employees who did not gain anything back because your group gave up first and that gave the company the green light to stick it to the non-union employees.

Non-union losses:

Sick time
Vacation
OJI time
40% downgraded from full-time to part-time
Mail and freight outsourced
Most catering outsourced
Express work outsourced
Pension frozen
Part-time insurance raised to $300 a month
Layoffs

Go ask the non-union employees if they recovered that.

And yes we went on strike and gave concessions just like everyone else, but we had a backbone and wouldnt cave, unlike your group.

And what about your sweetheart deal with the company to run as fast as you can across our picket lines?

And I seem to rememeber a know layoff clause in your contract that all pilots were paid when the company laid-off pilots.

Glass houses.

 

[john john]

What concessions in 92? The pilots gave up pay on a temporary basis, to be paid back in full (with interest) when the company became profitable. I gave up NOTHING in 92 that I didn't recoup fully a few years later. The other employee groups pretty much fell into line with similar deals. Only the mechanics were intransigent, and that caused a lot of resentment. If Wolf had been in charge instead of "Deer in the Headlights" Schofield, the IAM would have have been broken (as they possibly should have been at the time.)

Without contract protection the passengers service agents took pay and benefits cuts in 1991 frozen pay and pension vacation and sick time cuts. Many agents were bumped form full-time to part-time
In 1994 1800 passengers service jobs were eliminated which represent 82% percent of all occupational job cuts that year
Never saw pay and benefits increases until 1999 under the first contract Executive’s management and all the other union employees continue to receive cost of living raise defined pension and holidays and vacation pay. Without contract protection passengers service agents borne the brunt of labor cost cutting

 

[700UW]

John John,

Those of us in the IAM M&R who were topped out did not get any raises from 1995 till 1999 (October) till we finally got a new CBA, we were in negotiations from 95-till 99 and voted one TA down.

 

[john john]

And I seem to rememeber a know layoff clause in your contract that all pilots were paid when the company laid-off pilots.

Glass houses.

I believe F28 pilots were getting full pay on furlough. sweet deal

 

[Pi brat]

Go ask the non-union employees who did not gain anything back because your group gave up first and that gave the company the green light to stick it to the non-union employees.

Non-union losses:

Sick time
Vacation
OJI time
40% downgraded from full-time to part-time
Mail and freight outsourced
Most catering outsourced
Express work outsourced
Pension frozen
Part-time insurance raised to $300 a month
Layoffs

Go ask the non-union employees if they recovered that.

And yes we went on strike and gave concessions just like everyone else, but we had a backbone and wouldnt cave, unlike your group.

And what about your sweetheart deal with the company to run as fast as you can across our picket lines?

And I seem to rememeber a know layoff clause in your contract that all pilots were paid when the company laid-off pilots.

Glass houses.

Tell me when did it became the pilot's job to represent other employee groups?

If you couldn't pull off a strike by yourselves, you shouldtn't have gone out. I don't remember getting a vote on your strike.

I wonder if our mechanics regret having utility tied to them.

 

[700UW]

We pulled off a successful strike.

And it's every union member's job to support each other.

Pilots did clean planes during the 30 day cooling off period and during the strike.

AFA and IBT supported the IAM Strike.

We negotiated with the company for over three years before going out on strike.

I guess you dont understand the concept of trade unionism, where they are suppose to support each other, not help the company out.

We had ALPA make a sweetheart deal with the company not to honor the picket line, and still get paid whether they flew or not, during a strke a company is not obligated to pay an employee group if there is no work due to a work stoppage.

The company grounded all the DC9s, MD89s, F28s, F100s, and 737-200s and all the non-flying pilots were paid.

Since your not a real trade unionist, I guess you never attended the Labor Coalition of Unions at US, where we updated each other on what was happening, thats what unions do, not stab each other in the back.

And every day after negotiations in 04/05 bankruptcy we would meet/call Fleet and the AFA on what was transpiring.

Thats what a real union member does.

 

[Pi brat]

We pulled off a successful strike.

And it's every union member's job to support each other.

Pilots did clean planes during the 30 day cooling off period and during the strike.

AFA and IBT supported the IAM Strike.

We negotiated with the company for over three years before going out on strike.

I guess you dont understand the concept of trade unionism, where they are suppose to support each other, not help the company out.

We had ALPA make a sweetheart deal with the company not to honor the picket line, and still get paid whether they flew or not, during a strke a company is not obligated to pay an employee group if there is no work due to a work stoppage.

The company grounded all the DC9s, MD89s, F28s, F100s, and 737-200s and all the non-flying pilots were paid.

Since your not a real trade unionist, I guess you never attended the Labor Coalition of Unions at US, where we updated each other on what was happening, thats what unions do, not stab each other in the back.

And every day after negotiations in 04/05 bankruptcy we would meet/call Fleet and the AFA on what was transpiring.

Thats what a real

union member does.

How'd that work out for ya? MOVE ON!