odie01
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Now thats a response from an unskilled laborer thats just happy to have a job, you an TM have alot in common and will soon find out that bartending or waitressing at the WaffleHouse should pay about the same
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1AA
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Well the Teamsters is trying and the TWU is not even raising an eyebrow.
Now why is that?
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Wrong....The new center of the maintenance universe is DWH/DFW......TULE will be a shadow of its former self.
Wanna know why? No longer will AA aircraft have to be "ferried" empty in TULE....With DFWs flight count, every and any aircraft can easily be routed through DFW for maintenance on REVENUE flights..
No more wasting fuel fllying empty aircraft and no more paying pilots to fly those empty aircraft.
Send em to DFW and tow em to DWH...
With all that real estate surrounding DWH, I am sure that should AA ever need to expand there, the DFW airport authority will be more than happy to accomodate AA.
They don't ferry them empty but a 777 going to Tulsa with a few passengers isnt really a Revenue trip.
I think the issue is Pilots and maximizing the efficient use of equipment. The Pilot shortage is here. AA already dropped its threat to lay off hundreds of pilots. AA was essentially ferrying the 757s they use for over the pond to DFW for B-cks, it was an inefficient use of the aircraft so they renewed the lease at JFK, one of the most expensive airports in the country.
Frank Szabo
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He's not lying I was there. It was pretty funny, but there was Rick Mullings(Plumber), a few women(I'm guessing stores) and HighSpeedSteel (machinist) so there were no AMTs to help them. haha
AC Tynker
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1-He didn't tell anyone how to vote, He told them how he was voting
2-It was to help keep more of the 770 that don't want to be laid off
3-Those were known about, it's referring to management layoffs (you really should gather facts before making accusations)
4-It's still stronger SCOPE than just about any contract out there.
5-Page 23 of the TA "...all aircraft with greater than 79 seats, if flown by APA and operated by AMR corporation or it's subsidiaries, are within scope of this Agreement."
6-Yes they did they've been telling everyone ever since the purchase was announced.
1AA
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Referring to number 5.
If you have been here long enough you know that a side letter will take care of that one. We as members have NO say over side letters. The contract or lack of is not worth the paper it is printed on. It can be changed to suit the company or the TWU's best interest at a whim.
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Subject to change should the judge approve of abrogation of pilot contracts tomorrow.
APFA View
Flight attendants’ union backs American Airlines’ ‘last, best’ contract offer
By SHERYL JEAN
Staff Writer
[email protected]
Published: 13 August 2012 09:18 PM
The union for American Airlines Inc.’s flight attendants is taking a clear stand in support of the airline’s “last, best and final” contract offer.
“There isn’t a single bankruptcy expert or adviser who can recommend a ‘no’ vote,” the negotiating team for the Association of Professional Flight Attendants told union members in an online message Sunday.
The flight attendants have until next Sunday to vote on the company’s proposal. If they reject the offer, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane could let American throw out its existing contract with flight attendants and impose new terms.
Lane is scheduled to rule Wednesday on American’s request to throw out the airline’s existing contract with its pilots and impose tougher work rules, after the Allied Pilots Association overwhelmingly voted down a tentative contract agreement. The union represents 8,000 American pilots.
American and its parent, AMR Corp., are trying to reduce labor costs as part of their bankruptcy reorganization. The companies filed for Chapter 11 in November and have until Dec. 28 to file a reorganization plan.
In a message to pilots last weekend, the APA’s newly named interim president, Keith Wilson, said union members now must work together “to accomplish our objective, which is a contract that respects our sacrifices and appropriately compensates us as professional pilots — with a strong emphasis on ‘professional.’” “To me, whether you voted ‘yes’ or ‘no’ is irrelevant. We all share the same goal,” Wilson said.
In a separate message to flight attendants, APFA national president Laura Glading noted that they’ll have the benefit of seeing what happens with the pilots in the days after Lane’s ruling on the APA contract.
“This will indicate what we face in the event APFA votes to reject” the “last, best and final offer,” she said. The APFA negotiating team said in a letter to members that if flight attendants reject American’s offer, the airline’s March 22 term sheet would exclude pay increases, a 401(k) retirement plan match and profit sharing because those items require consensual agreement.
In addition, a “no” vote would also lose many “last, best and final offer” improvements, including a $1,500 date-of-signing bonus, an early-out option and a 3 percent equity claim in the new American Airlines, according to the letter.
One concern is the six-year duration of American’s offer, the letter acknowledged. However, the APFA said it expects a ratified agreement to be short-lived because of three possibilities:
American merges with US Airways Group Inc. in bankruptcy, and the APFA bargains for a single contract with US Airways’ flight attendants. American merges with another carrier after it exits bankruptcy, meaning a single contact for all flight attendants must be negotiated.
American emerges from bankruptcy but does not merge with another carrier, “whereby, in a few years, American Airlines will quite possibly no longer exist.”
American is reviewing its options, including a possible deal with US Airways. In April, leaders of American’s three main unions announced that they supported a merger with US Airways.
On Sunday, an article on the Financial Times’ website quoted American chief executive Tom Horton as saying that a decision about whether to merge with US Airways or another airline could come “within weeks.” But American spokesman Andrew Backover said Monday that nothing has changed.“The timetable for our review of alternatives has not changed, and we expect it to occur by or into the fall,” Backover said.
“It may be an attractive option under the right circumstances,” Horton told the Financial Times about merging with US Airways. “Our view [earlier this year] was not that that combination was unwise. It was that that was not the right time to discuss it.” [background=rgb(149, 179, 222)]
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Flight attendants’ union backs American Airlines’ ‘last, best’ contract offer
By SHERYL JEAN
Staff Writer
[email protected]
Published: 13 August 2012 09:18 PM
The union for American Airlines Inc.’s flight attendants is taking a clear stand in support of the airline’s “last, best and final” contract offer.
“There isn’t a single bankruptcy expert or adviser who can recommend a ‘no’ vote,” the negotiating team for the Association of Professional Flight Attendants told union members in an online message Sunday.
The flight attendants have until next Sunday to vote on the company’s proposal. If they reject the offer, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane could let American throw out its existing contract with flight attendants and impose new terms.
Lane is scheduled to rule Wednesday on American’s request to throw out the airline’s existing contract with its pilots and impose tougher work rules, after the Allied Pilots Association overwhelmingly voted down a tentative contract agreement. The union represents 8,000 American pilots.
American and its parent, AMR Corp., are trying to reduce labor costs as part of their bankruptcy reorganization. The companies filed for Chapter 11 in November and have until Dec. 28 to file a reorganization plan.
In a message to pilots last weekend, the APA’s newly named interim president, Keith Wilson, said union members now must work together “to accomplish our objective, which is a contract that respects our sacrifices and appropriately compensates us as professional pilots — with a strong emphasis on ‘professional.’” “To me, whether you voted ‘yes’ or ‘no’ is irrelevant. We all share the same goal,” Wilson said.
In a separate message to flight attendants, APFA national president Laura Glading noted that they’ll have the benefit of seeing what happens with the pilots in the days after Lane’s ruling on the APA contract.
“This will indicate what we face in the event APFA votes to reject” the “last, best and final offer,” she said. The APFA negotiating team said in a letter to members that if flight attendants reject American’s offer, the airline’s March 22 term sheet would exclude pay increases, a 401(k) retirement plan match and profit sharing because those items require consensual agreement.
In addition, a “no” vote would also lose many “last, best and final offer” improvements, including a $1,500 date-of-signing bonus, an early-out option and a 3 percent equity claim in the new American Airlines, according to the letter.
One concern is the six-year duration of American’s offer, the letter acknowledged. However, the APFA said it expects a ratified agreement to be short-lived because of three possibilities:
American merges with US Airways Group Inc. in bankruptcy, and the APFA bargains for a single contract with US Airways’ flight attendants. American merges with another carrier after it exits bankruptcy, meaning a single contact for all flight attendants must be negotiated.
American emerges from bankruptcy but does not merge with another carrier, “whereby, in a few years, American Airlines will quite possibly no longer exist.”
American is reviewing its options, including a possible deal with US Airways. In April, leaders of American’s three main unions announced that they supported a merger with US Airways.
On Sunday, an article on the Financial Times’ website quoted American chief executive Tom Horton as saying that a decision about whether to merge with US Airways or another airline could come “within weeks.” But American spokesman Andrew Backover said Monday that nothing has changed.“The timetable for our review of alternatives has not changed, and we expect it to occur by or into the fall,” Backover said.
“It may be an attractive option under the right circumstances,” Horton told the Financial Times about merging with US Airways. “Our view [earlier this year] was not that that combination was unwise. It was that that was not the right time to discuss it.” [background=rgb(149, 179, 222)]
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