2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Kev3188]

...the iam as it will be done along with any organizing drives and the iampf most likely. So it has to win.

If the US NC caves, I'd be willing to bet that any organizing drives evaporate with it.
 

 

So the strike fund has barely enough to live off of (if we lived in a Third World country ) ....oh Yeah this will go down real well ....

Fear of Loss is a sh*tty way to live.

 

[Tim Nelson]

To inflate it a little for the sake of negotiations is one thing. But by 6-700%. Down right disgusting! When was it said? During the Boeing debacle?

said a couple weeks ago in a newspaper as buffys handlers said jay cronk cant handle the $1 billion strike fund.

 

[ChockJockey]

If they cant even be bothered to get off their asses and go to a picket then F them they dont deserve a raise .....

 
I'll take 'Things I'll Spout About Online but Don't Have the Balls to Say in the Breakroom' for $1000, Alex.
 
That's really rich, the guy who almost consistently has the least strenuous work assignments on the ramp (for how many years now?) calling out others for their lack of action.  I defy you to deny it.  Come out to N1 in the mornings and get in the bellies of these 321's or '57's.  Run mainline CONX on an Hawaiian inbound or take a whirl out at the International Carousel for four complexes on a Saturday night.  Get re-acquainted with the front line work and then tell everybody they don't deserve a raise.

 

[cltrat]

 
I'll take 'Things I'll Spout About Online but Don't Have the Balls to Say in the Breakroom' for $1000, Alex.
 
That's really rich, the guy who almost consistently has the least strenuous work assignments on the ramp (for how many years now?) calling out others for their lack of action.  I defy you to deny it.  Come out to N1 in the mornings and get in the bellies of these 321's or '57's.  Run mainline CONX on an Hawaiian inbound or take a whirl out at the International Carousel for four complexes on a Saturday night.  Get re-acquainted with the front line work and then tell everybody they don't deserve a raise.

wow  looks like someone is calling it just like he see it.
 
so he's one of those kind huh?

 

[freedom]

Your right ,our work is too hard for us to give up our personal time without pay ...

We have elected unión people ,they need to make this company just GIVE us our due without any effort on the part of the membership ...

The Lack of effort on behalf of the membership is part of the reason we find ourseleves where we are today ....

And as i said before and standby my statment ,I have no desire to see the membership profit if they themsleves are not willing to put forth any effort on their own behalf vía unión participation ..

I am personally sick of the excuses I hear coming from my co-workers on why they didnt attend the picket

1. CHQ is empty and so it wont make any difference so thats why I didnt go .

2. pickett what Pickett no one told me .

3. I had other plana that day ....

But Yeah number one really pisses me off ....pure lazyness ...

 

[cltrat]

I guess Forrest Gump was right all along

 

[ChockJockey]

Your right ,our work is too hard for us to give up our personal time without pay ...

But Yeah number one really pisses me off ....pure lazyness ...

 
Who is a bigger moron, the guy who thinks he deserves a raise but doesn't picket or the guy who goes out to picket but doesn't think he deserves a raise?  Or how about the guy that shouts for a strike but then doesn't want to strike?
 
If you want to work somewhere with widening "scope" and low wages then you should by all means go to Servisair or Piedmont, it's where your sympathies seem to lie anyhow.
 
My point was simply to show how uninformed your opinion is given your alienation from the nature of the work we do.  If you think compensation should be based on whether or not people picket and the fact that others in the industry are paid even less that's your right.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Is Freedumb a goof on the roof or UDO?

 

[ChockJockey]

so he's one of those kind huh?

 
From my experience he typically has a positive attitude and is pleasant to work with. The work that he is assigned to do he does well.
 
Edit: The way I see it the avatars we use here are projections of our egos, there's a lot about the qualities of a person that can't be conveyed through text or opinion on a message board.  I try to keep that in mind whenever I get worked up...

 

[737823]

If the US NC caves, I'd be willing to bet that any organizing drives evaporate with it.  Fear of Loss is a sh*tty way to live.

The UA agreement is already a hindrance to the IAM and organizing. And no I'm not painting all labor with the same brush based on one sh*ty DL, I'm speaking of the IAM regarding the IAM.

Josh

 

[ograc]

It seems to me that the strike benefits could actually be $800 a week and maybe that is why the IAM leaders were hiding these facts.  According to President Buffenbarger saying that the strike fund was at $1 billion,  the $25 increments reach about $800 a month.  In which case, I think the strike vote would be damn close to 100% as most wouldn't really mind staying home for the spring/summer months. 
My point is that although they got away with just tossing the United members a strike ballot and saying "Vote or else",  myself and others at US AIRWAYS are NOT GOING TO TOLERATE the same ignorance here. These Mo Fo's better let our people know the process, the support, and the amount.  It's incredibly profane to just say, "Prepare for Strike" without being given the knowledge of all the things associated with it.  What soldier prepares for battle without being told how to use his equipment, training, etc?   I'm encouraged by 700's post that the strike benefit far exceeds what I initially thought. I love being wrong about that!

I have a son in the USMC. You can bet before his Commanding Officer gives the order to Lock and Load he has been through some extensive training and education. He has been educated on what to expect when the order is given. He has been trained to improvise, adapt and overcome! The US Marine Corps knows and appreciates the importance of training and educating the troops before giving such an order. I agree... the emphasis by the union at this point in time, should indeed be on educating the membership on the strike process. The failure to do this, as a union, will result in a membership that lacks the solidarity of it's members to successfully achieve their goals. The failure to do this in the military results in the tragic loss of life and defeat. 
Semper Fi!

 

[ograc]

I agee ROA.....  Fits well for the Times !!
 
   I may have to figure out how to get that helmet and banner on mine.....we all should do it ...   CARGO?

My youngest son had to show me how to put uncertainty ahead sign up. But I could ask for his assistance again. it's just a little demeaning when they tell you to move out of the way Dad... let me sit down. 

 

[necigrad]

for some reason, 700 went cricket on us regarding the funding. I dont mean to sound lazy but if the iam pays me $1,000 a week thats more than i make now. Hell im good with $500 a week in strike benefits and i think all of the part timers and all of those below the ten year mark would vote 100% for strike.
i dont want to be shortchanged so we need an official amount that we can get if we vote for strike.

A topped out FT Lead makes $863.20/week.  Personally I agree with you that the $1000+ number is a bit shocking considering our normal pay.  I also agree that I'd take far less then that number.  I'm actually floored that there isn't (unless it wasn't quoted) a clause limiting it to your maximum pay.  I'd also prefer to take a bit less simply to preserve the fund.  I'm not going to say that $500 is the right number, nor if the right number is more or less because I don't know.

The $1B is from an outside source, the news article that was provided.  If that number is wrong then that certainly might change things.  On the flip side, if it's right, I can't see how the membership could possibly NOT strike.  Even Freedom would jump all over it!

 

[28L_or_10R?]

 
From my experience he typically has a positive attitude and is pleasant to work with. The work that he is assigned to do he does well.
 
Edit: The way I see it the avatars we use here are projections of our egos, there's a lot about the qualities of a person that can't be conveyed through text or opinion on a message board.  I try to keep that in mind whenever I get worked up...

Do me a favor: Next time you work with him please spit in his face. Make sure some of the spit goes in his mouth.

 

[Tim Nelson]

A topped out FT Lead makes $863.20/week.  Personally I agree with you that the $1000+ number is a bit shocking considering our normal pay.  I also agree that I'd take far less then that number.  I'm actually floored that there isn't (unless it wasn't quoted) a clause limiting it to your maximum pay.  I'd also prefer to take a bit less simply to preserve the fund.  I'm not going to say that $500 is the right number, nor if the right number is more or less because I don't know.

The $1B is from an outside source, the news article that was provided.  If that number is wrong then that certainly might change things.  On the flip side, if it's right, I can't see how the membership could possibly NOT strike.  Even Freedom would jump all over it!

I guess the real figure is something below $200 million.  Or about $150 a week.  Better get dispensation because Labor needs to win one. Of course, that also means dispensation for the first two weeks of a strike since the strike fund doesn't kick in until week 3.  The politics are ripe to do this and get the dispensation if the NC had stones.