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Hope777,
 
Are you CWA or IAM. Because Fleet Service gets 50% pay for the first 3 days out sick, then 100% pay after that for sick calls. Unless you have more than 100 days, if so, your paid 100% until you go below 100 days. It still sucks, but we are paid 50% for the first 3 days out sick.
 
How many days do you Fleet Service guys accrue yearly per your IAM contract?
 
At AA, we get five per year. Before our "pre" bankruptcy givebacks in 2003, we accrued ten a year.
 
In our real BK contract, the days stayed and they did want 40% pay for first three sick days. Somewhere during 1113 negotiations we gave more of something else to keep full sick pay. As for the mechanics, they do get less pay.
 
pjirish317 said:
Hope777,
 
Are you CWA or IAM. Because Fleet Service gets 50% pay for the first 3 days out sick, then 100% pay after that for sick calls. Unless you have more than 100 days, if so, your paid 100% until you go below 100 days. It still sucks, but we are paid 50% for the first 3 days out sick.
Everyone needs to remember this language is the result of a BK contract under the threat of abrogation... not something negotiated in normal talks!
 
pjirish317 said:
Hope777,
 
Are you CWA or IAM. Because Fleet Service gets 50% pay for the first 3 days out sick, then 100% pay after that for sick calls. Unless you have more than 100 days, if so, your paid 100% until you go below 100 days. It still sucks, but we are paid 50% for the first 3 days out sick.
Well then things have changed since I went out on Furlough.  it was ZERO the first day (unless you had 100+ days banked) and then what, 50% the 2nd day and 100% after that.  Hate to say it, but glad I'm on Furlough!
 
AANOTOK said:
How many days do you Fleet Service guys accrue yearly per your IAM contract?
 
At AA, we get five per year. Before our "pre" bankruptcy givebacks in 2003, we accrued ten a year.
 
In our real BK contract, the days stayed and they did want 40% pay for first three sick days. Somewhere during 1113 negotiations we gave more of something else to keep full sick pay. As for the mechanics, they do get less pay
we fsa accrue 10 per yr  I think feb and oct are the only 2 months we don't  accrue it  but I may be wrong on that part of it
 
AANOTOK said:
How many days do you Fleet Service guys accrue yearly per your IAM contract?
 
At AA, we get five per year. Before our "pre" bankruptcy givebacks in 2003, we accrued ten a year.
 
In our real BK contract, the days stayed and they did want 40% pay for first three sick days. Somewhere during 1113 negotiations we gave more of something else to keep full sick pay. As for the mechanics, they do get less pay.
We accrue 9 per year, if we work the majority days of that month. 1 per month in January, March, April, May, July, August, September, November, December. PJ is right about half pay for the first 3 days.  Hope777 has been furloughed but it was $0 for the first day, prior to the 2008 contract.
 
28L_or_10R? said:
Terri Pope ordered that any calls of absence due to weather would not receive points for today only. I imagine people are calling in sick to at least get sick pay.
If they call in "sick" they will be paid at the appropriate rate of pay and charged with an occurance based on the attendance policy. Additionally, calls of absence "due to weather" will not receive points but will not receive any compensation for the absence. I believe your assumption is correct.
 
Today the negotiating committee was summoned to Washington DC to meet with General Vice President Sito Pantoja and Tim Klima of the Grand Lodge to discuss their meeting with Linda Pachula Chairperson of the National Mediation Board. During their meeting she reiterated that the company was not willing to come to a fair agreement under the Section 6 Negotiations process of the Railway Labor Act, but management would rather start transition talks. This is not only disappointing to the committee but a total slap in the face to the membership.
 
For the last 2.5 years the negotiations team has been working diligently on bringing back an agreement to the members. We are disgusted by management who insists on dividing the workforce by paying US Airways Fleet Service Less than our counterparts at the new American Airlines.
 
There simply would not be a level playing field even if we were to start transition talk today. The company’s intent is to keep us all divided and unequal from our AA Brothers and Sisters. From this point on we will be waiting to be notified by the National Mediation Board as to when the 30 day cooling off period should begin.
 
We ask all members at this time to unite, stay informed and support your negotiating committee. Once the negotiations team is advise of the next step of the Railway Labor Act process it will be announced . Solidarity amongst the rank and file is paramount to achieve bargaining power at the table.
 
In Solidarity,
Frank Giannola
 
 
It is highly likely that the NMB is going to make a decision sooner as opposed to later.  It's been said that the NMB takes months or even years to release a group, but in the situation of a merger we should expect the NMB to make a decision sooner, most likely within 90 days and possibly within 30.  The decision the NMB has to make involves the release and also a Single carrier application that the TWU has to file within 4 months. But make no mistake, the NMB is going to have to rule soon.  The alternative is to do nothing and make no decision on the release or the inevitable single carrier application.  In theory, the NMB can take its time on both.  IMO, that is unlikely because if both parties are truly at an impasse then that path may lend leverage to the union but it doesn't necessarily put as much pressure on the company as a release would.
 
Whatever the case, I'm amazed but not surprised, that there is little to no knowledge about striking, what our members would be striking for, the process, the support, the questions about if TWU workers can do our members work, and a slew of things.  Folks, a release can happen next week although that may be unlikely, but our members need to be prepared and equipped.  Thus far, I've seen two updates by the union that ask our members to "prepare for strike".  Well, it's the leadership that has to make preparation, duh.   I'm growing uncomfortable with waiting on the leadership as it appears to me that the leadership is wanting ignorance so it can use a strike vote to build fear and get its agenda passed.  Whatever one's view are on striking,  imo, the politics and having Obama in office, along with the merger and the fact that our NC isn't asking for much at all [I wish they asked for more scope], should make this a very successful strike.  But it won't possibly be successful and it won't even happen if there is a poor strike vote due to ignorance.  The union has the funds to campaign and be build the necessary support within the membership to have a great strike vote.  The message has to be clear, YES WE CAN.  YES WE WILL.  Not this pusssy crap that the IAM did over at UAL.  I won't tolerate this lazy arse eboard doing the same pusssy arsse thing over here.  CB, Prez, don't even think that you are going to just toss a strike ballot at someone with little to no education attached to it like the shittty job your boys did at UA.  DO YOUR F JOB and build the necessary support needed to have a successful strike vote. 
 
The membership must know the proposals and what they are striking for.  They must know that even after a cooling off that it is the union that decides when to go on strike and that it necessarily isn't at midnight. They must know what happens after a cooling off, they must know if the TWU American workers can touch our bags if our members strike, they must know that we have the support of the stews and other IAM members [not sure if CWA/IBT has the same clause??],  they must know a lot of things.   Don't just keep your fingers up your collective arses thinking that you have to have strike preparedness teams [which you do] and that's it.   Knowledge is power.   Don't keep folks ignorant to get a ta agenda passed that is not worthy. You guys have been all talk and showed that you didn't have any stones to stand up to Delaney with the anti union UA contract, don't think you will get away with it here.  And you guys better have asked for more scope.  If not, then you are absolute morons.  Don't come back with no BS that you will get scope in the transition talks, those talks will be more difficult since there are no self help measures.
 
700UW said:
Today the negotiating committee was summoned to Washington DC to meet with General Vice President Sito Pantoja and Tim Klima of the Grand Lodge to discuss their meeting with Linda Pachula Chairperson of the National Mediation Board. During their meeting she reiterated that the company was not willing to come to a fair agreement under the Section 6 Negotiations process of the Railway Labor Act, but management would rather start transition talks. This is not only disappointing to the committee but a total slap in the face to the membership.
 
For the last 2.5 years the negotiations team has been working diligently on bringing back an agreement to the members. We are disgusted by management who insists on dividing the workforce by paying US Airways Fleet Service Less than our counterparts at the new American Airlines.
 
There simply would not be a level playing field even if we were to start transition talk today. The company’s intent is to keep us all divided and unequal from our AA Brothers and Sisters. From this point on we will be waiting to be notified by the National Mediation Board as to when the 30 day cooling off period should begin.
 
We ask all members at this time to unite, stay informed and support your negotiating committee. Once the negotiations team is advise of the next step of the Railway Labor Act process it will be announced . Solidarity amongst the rank and file is paramount to achieve bargaining power at the table.
 
In Solidarity,
Frank Giannola
Ah yes an edict from the 100K plus club ..I'm sure they understands the concerns of the common workers ....
 
They understand it more than you, the one who threw his coworkers under the bus and now your scared to strike.
 
Its better to die standing up then to live on your knees in fear.
 
Do you know people have died in order for you to have the right to be in a union, collective bargain and to strike?
 
freedom said:
Ah yes an edict from the 100K plus club ..I'm sure they understands the concerns of the common workers ....
Frank isn't in the $100,000+ club.  He is a ramper like you.
 
Nonetheless,Frank, exactly when do you and Steven Miller plan on giving the proper information and knowledge to the members? Don't do the same stuipid #### that the eboard did at united. Don't just do ignorant #### asking the membership to 'stay informed' when you are the one who is suppose to inform them. I'm not talking about just passing along information. At United, your boys just tossed out a strike ballot with no knowledge, no nothing. You guys need to do your damn jobs! We may get a release next week for all we know. We have to have a strong strike vote and the only way to do that is to encourage our membership with a nice pamphlet, videos, etc., explaining to them YES WE CAN, YES WE WILL and give them the necessary knowledge that will get those who don't know about a strike, to vote for one. No stupid #### please. Right now, there is a lot of ignorance since it's impossible for the membership to stay informed if you guys don't inform them. Can the TWU employees do our work if we strike? What are strike beneifts? Where is our support? What are we striking for? When can we legally strike? Do we have to strike at midnight after the 30 days? And about another dozen questions. IMO, this can be a very successful strike for the IAM and labor in general. But every indication thus far is that you guys don't want to strike since the membership has been kept ignorant. Ignorance brings in fear and if you guys don't properly inform then the strike vote will be shitty and a lame TA will pass. The Proper information and knowledge will build a very strong strike vote. Don't just stick your chest out. That #### doesn't work nowadays. Only in the movies.
 
Also, in a twisted way, it may help not to have any TWU AA employees in CLT, PHL, PHX if the TWU employees have to touch our members bags.  But in ORD, if 100% of sUS workers go on strike, what are the contractual provisions of the American Eagle TWU members?
 
If you guys don't attempt to encourage the members to vote yes to strike, in an educated way, by giving them knowledge, then there will be fear and ignorance that will help to defeat our cause.  At United, the eboard wanted to build fear by withholding knowledge.  I hope that isn't the same stupid crap you guys do here.
 
700UW said:
They understand it more than you, the one who threw his coworkers under the bus and now your scared to strike.
 
Its better to die standing up then to live on your knees in fear.
 
Do you know people have died in order for you to have the right to be in a union, collective bargain and to strike?
Your right ,things are just SO horrible for us right now seven hundred ...what with the healthcare ,flexqble schedules ,sick pay,holiday pay ,flight benfits,living wage ...we really are slaves ...I should be ashamed for not standing up for our freedom ....

WAKE UP ! Look around the country ! We have it far better than most of the US and hear you are crying like its 2005 and there are labor shortages everywhere ...the entire country is suffering and you and others are complaining about having a decent job ...HA ! Your as much out of touch as the leadership is ...
 
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