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ograc said:
I'm aware of the language in the contract 700UW. Let me throw one example at you though concerning picket lines. What if you work in a station where MTC is subcontracted and there are no picket lines to honor or cross? This is an example of questions that need to be addressed and answered by authoritive representatives going forward. 700; I respect your insight, knowledge and past involvement but I cannot direct my members' actions based on what's posted on this thread. The NCs and the DL Leadership needs to get into the field and give authoritive answers to the many questions, concerning the potential strike process, to the members. Questions need answered. Concerns need to be addressed. Only then will the group truly be prepared for the battle that lies ahead. 
If there is no picket line then you have to go to work, what we did in 1992 and what we prepared for in 99 was that Mechanics that commuted set up picket lines at the airports in their home cities.
 
Another thing is that we can have others walk a picket line and not be M&R, but if you have to go to work, you dont have to do any M&R functions, that really doesnt matter now as most ancillary duties are done by the ramp now.
 
Tim here is the CWA language, seems its the same as all three IAM CBAs and the AFA CBA:
 
 
C. It is understood and agreed that the Company will not lock out any employees covered hereby, and the Union will not authorize or take part in any strikes, sitdown, slowdown, or picketing of Company premises during the life of this Agreement until the procedures for settling disputes as provided herein and provided by the Railway Labor Act, as amended, have been exhausted.
 
The Company will not require the employees hereunder to cross picket lines of the Company's employees legally established under contractual provisions and the Railway Labor Act on or in front of the premises. The individual or concerted refusal to pass such picket lines shall not constitute grounds for discipline, discharge, lay-off, or be considered a violation of this Agreement.
 
The Company shall not perform "Struck Work” of Wholly Owned Carriers and of MDA. “Struck Work” is Passenger Service work traditionally and regularly performed by a Wholly Owned Carrier or MDA where and during the period the Passenger Service employees of that Wholly Owned Carrier or MDA are engaged in a lawful strike, and where the Company has not previously performed the work in question.
There shall be no prohibition against a concerted refusal of employees of the Company to perform Struck Work. Moreover, the Company will not hire employees of Wholly Owned Carriers or MDA to perform Passenger Service work at the Company during a period when the Company’s Passenger Service employees are engaged in a lawful strike.
 
 
The good thing is the AFA was ordered back to work by the Judge in 92, the case went to arbitration and the AFA won, so the company cant go to court and get a TRO if any union honors the picket line.
 
I will have to find the TWU CBA.
 
700UW said:
The good thing is the AFA was ordered back to work by the Judge in 92, the case went to arbitration and the AFA won, so the company cant go to court and get a TRO if any union honors the picket line.
 
I will have to find the TWU CBA.
company must have got a North Carolina judge.  What about the Pilots?
 
No it was a Federal Judge in PIT.
 
Dispatchers look like they dont have the language:
 
 
D.               LOCK OUTS / STRIKES
 
[SIZE=12pt]It is agreed that the Company will not lock out any Employees, and the[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Union or its members will not authorize or take part in any strike, sympathy strike,[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] sit-down, slowdown, walkout, curtailment of work, or picketing until the procedures for settling disputes as provided by the RLA have been exhausted[/SIZE]
 
I wouldnt count on any pilots, they made a sweetheart deal in 92 and ran over our picket line.  They made a deal not to honor the picket line and every pilot would get paid regardless if they flew or not, company grounded all F28s, F100s, DC-9S, MD80s and 737-200s, and they all got paid.
 
Have to ask a pilot to look at their CBA, the web page is login only.
 
Tim,
 
I agree with you that having the TWU support will be critical in any strike for which the IAM orders, but in terms of the ultimate surviving union representing Fleet Service, I don't see why the TWU would provide little more than token support.
 
If the IAM manages an industry leading contract (with or without TWU support), then it would demonstrate its abilities to the AA FSAs and have the New American being represented by the IAM.  However, if the contract and strike implodes under the IAM, then the TWU would most assuredly become the union for FSAs at the New American.
 
As you seem to think that the highest levels of labor leadership appear to be self-serving, dues grabbing,  plutocratic ole boys network, I am not sure how you can see much in the way of cross union altruism or cooperation.
 
Jester said:
Tim,
 
I agree with you that having the TWU support will be critical in any strike for which the IAM orders, but in terms of the ultimate surviving union representing Fleet Service, I don't see why the TWU would provide little more than token support.
 
If the IAM manages an industry leading contract (with or without TWU support), then it would demonstrate its abilities to the AA FSAs and have the New American being represented by the IAM.  However, if the contract and strike implodes under the IAM, then the TWU would most assuredly become the union for FSAs at the New American.
 
As you seem to think that the highest levels of labor leadership appear to be self-serving, dues grabbing,  plutocratic ole boys network, I am not sure how you can see much in the way of cross union altruism or cooperation.
Like the merging airlines,  the unions have to consolidate as well.  The idea of the association smacks in the face of the non cross uion altruism that we have seen before. In fact, the association really hammered AH's idea of pissing on fleet more.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if AH is itching the ear of the TWU right now.  The association is suppose to be what unionism is all about, i.e., solidarity starting at the top.  Also, I'm a bit mixed on what it means for the AFLCIO to merger or affiliate with peta, naacp, and other organizations but if it means more media support and more public support for our potential strike then imo it's a brilliant idea. If it's just about politics and a money grab then it will blow. Time will tell but I keep saying that this situation, imo, is a perfect storm against AH. I can't see how the Obama administration will screw us and force us into transition talks illegally like Bush administration would.  AH doesn't seem to have any friends and I'm not saying this will be over in a few months but as long as our NC and our members keep patient, this is a win.  I even think it will have more juice if fleet service walks instead of MX. The public will see the biggest airline in the world that is making the most profits and tossing money to its CEO, pissing all over its workers after the government granted it a merger.   You can't pick up a newspaper or go online without national articles of how airport workers and other blue collar workers who used to be middle class are getting the crumbs.  It's time and I think we make the best of it.
 
If you guys look at my Avatar that should tell you where some of us stand. We just need our leadership to do the right thing when the time comes and tell us what we need to do? As for working your planes I don't think the company could force us to do that as we don't have a single operating certificate and we haven't been trained on your PPC? We do have a "No Strike, No lockout" clause in our contract but that doesn't mean we can't join you on your picket lines if we're not on the clock. And that we can't also have pickets for the cause. Again that's up to our leadership to lead us.

In New York I know that they've been told they're not allowed to wear those "Contract Now" buttons so one enterprising official came up with a great solution. He filled one of the Union Bulletin boards with the buttons instead.

The only other problem I see is in the basic memberships apathy. If you guys did or were to go on Strike would they understand that supporting you helps them down the road? It doesn't matter who the leadership is if others can't see outside the box to the bigger picture. 
 
WeAAsles,
 
I don't think it is an issue of the AA Membership understanding that if US FSAs do better, then they will do better with a joint contract.  However, as we have said many times before, "wages don't matter if one doesn't have a job," just as much as for the union hierarchy, "number of due paying member don't matter, if they aren't part of your union." 
 
If the IAM does well with its contract, then it harms the possibilities of the TWU keeping the New American fleet service once the alliance has ended. Does anyone think the alliance will keep all the overhead of two large union organizations under one new union?  I don't think so anymore than the "synergies" of the New American will not lead to downsizing in Management and other Executive positions.
 
The alliance was formed to work through the merger process, but someday this merger will be complete and I would be surprised if neither the unions' Executives aren't plotting some plans to be the surviving organization and what steps could be taken now to ensure their success, even at the expense of the Membership.
 
WeAAsles said:
If you guys look at my Avatar that should tell you where some of us stand. We just need our leadership to do the right thing when the time comes and tell us what we need to do? As for working your planes I don't think the company could force us to do that as we don't have a single operating certificate and we haven't been trained on your PPC? We do have a "No Strike, No lockout" clause in our contract but that doesn't mean we can't join you on your picket lines if we're not on the clock. And that we can't also have pickets for the cause. Again that's up to our leadership to lead us.

In New York I know that they've been told they're not allowed to wear those "Contract Now" buttons so one enterprising official came up with a great solution. He filled one of the Union Bulletin boards with the buttons instead.

The only other problem I see is in the basic memberships apathy. If you guys did or were to go on Strike would they understand that supporting you helps them down the road? It doesn't matter who the leadership is if others can't see outside the box to the bigger picture. 
I like that
 
Jester said:
WeAAsles,
 
I don't think it is an issue of the AA Membership understanding that if US FSAs do better, then they will do better with a joint contract.  However, as we have said many times before, "wages don't matter if one doesn't have a job," just as much as for the union hierarchy, "number of due paying member don't matter, if they aren't part of your union." 
 
If the IAM does well with its contract, then it harms the possibilities of the TWU keeping the New American fleet service once the alliance has ended. Does anyone think the alliance will keep all the overhead of two large union organizations under one new union?  I don't think so anymore than the "synergies" of the New American will not lead to downsizing in Management and other Executive positions.
 
The alliance was formed to work through the merger process, but someday this merger will be complete and I would be surprised if neither the unions' Executives aren't plotting some plans to be the surviving organization and what steps could be taken now to ensure their success, even at the expense of the Membership.
I can't say with certainty but I don't believe that is true. The association was crafted for post merger and not just a temp fix. The agreed to action of having a representation election confirms that.  If there is one thing that I think we can be virtually certain of, it is the association. 
On the face of it, a brilliant idea.  I think the TWU is strong with this but I also think that AH is going to try his best to itch the TWU ears one last time.  I think AH will fail in this, but given the IAM resolve, where else does AH have to turn to???  I seriously doubt the Obama administration yields to him. AH and DP have alienated the IAM into a situation where it has no choice but to strike.  I mean nobody wants to strike but we have been given no other choice but to take this company on or trust and take AH at his word that he will be fair with us in joint talks.
 
I think all of us have to support the strike vote.  There is room for someone to dissent on a TA if it is not fair, but the solidarity has to be very visible on the solidarity vote [strike vote].  A TA will be coming, and I think fairly quick, but no matter how one votes on the TA, all must vote yes to solidarity. 
 
Over the next several weeks, I will attempt to bring out all of the favorable things, and options, that should give plenty of support to a strike. There are a lot of fears about striking but once things are explained, much of the fear should subside with hope, although the risk are always present. 
I'm not sure what the NC and the union leadership will put out, but I'm sure my communications will supplement the materials they put out. Not to circumvent, but due to politics and legal, there are simply some things that the union may not put out that I think should be for full disclosure.  And I would be doing so in the spirit of solidarity and in support of the NC.  Of course, doing it together is also an option.  It has been said a few weeks ago if I would join the NC since some of them asked.  I think it's much too late for that and I don't think politics should be ahead of the membership.  Let the NC finish their work, if it isn't already finished. My focus, and perhaps the focus of the leadership, is on building solidarity at this moment of decision in which our jobs, and families will have an important decision to make.  I'm not saying I will support a company offer in the form of a TA if it doesn't include more scope to protect all of our current stations [To be sure, dissent from any NC's recommendation on such an offer is not profane], but there should be no choice on the strike vote as it should be a resounding Yes to strike. 
 
Yes we can and Yes we will.  That should be our plea and I think supper is ready!
 
700UW said:
If there is no picket line then you have to go to work, what we did in 1992 and what we prepared for in 99 was that Mechanics that commuted set up picket lines at the airports in their home cities.
 
Another thing is that we can have others walk a picket line and not be M&R, but if you have to go to work, you dont have to do any M&R functions, that really doesnt matter now as most ancillary duties are done by the ramp now.
The membes in my outline station want to support MTC.& Related if released to strike. You are saying with no line in our station we must report. If we have to report I can garauntee there will be no MTC related functions performed by Fleet. This,of course, is an easy proclamation, given the fact, the Fleet Service group in my station are not "certified mechanics". We, like many in outline stations, need a formal and physical strike line to honor. Is this being considered by the DL 142 leadership? Effective education and preperation of the membership is the key to a successful strike campaign. I'm concerned with the lack of urgency by both districts and the International Leadership as we grow closer to the potential battle. Lots of preperation by the International and the Districts needs to be done if we are indeed going to dig in our collective heels and fight. The first step is face to face station visits by the respective NCs and informed AGCs. I would suggest the next step should be station visits by the said parties to each other's bargaining units. MTC. & Related NC members and respective AGCs visit with the Fleet Service members and visa versa. We are in this together. If one is released; they will be counting on the other to lend support. The continual inaction by the International and the Districts leads me to believe they have no intention of taking economic action against the employer. Lots of bark but no bite. Time will tell. 
 
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