2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

ograc I always describe their view of an employee as a necessary evil.

imo i dont think they find employees necessary. Ive always felt that no matter who the management team has been at usairways, they hate to even pay employees.

 

[ograc]

imo i dont think they find employees necessary. Ive always felt that no matter who the management team has been at usairways, they hate to even pay employees.

A liability. One who's cost to the company must be kept to a minimum or eliminated altogether. Those who believe the company isn't fair or they should recognize past sacrifice or they wouldn't do that... will continue to be disappointed but shouldn't be suprised. Look at the track record folks!

 

[robbedagain]

josh  stop now   sick n tired of seein you blast the flippin iam for the past  the past is the past  get the he!! over it now  enough    we as iam members have been treated badly by those flippin dirty ole donkeys runnin the show   I believe we are now in the better position whereas if the strike were to happen today  we walk the line      to hell with usairways n the donkeys that run the new aa        contracts now   locked n loaded   fire away

 

[737823]

Robbed I didn't flame bait, I agreed US is not treating you fairly and that the process is stacked against you guys. 700 is the one baiting me.

Josh

 

[roabilly]

how many of you think that if and when a 30 day cooling off countdown starts,  the company will come to the table a little more serious?

Well... let's put it this way... their toes will be a little closer to the fire...
 

whatever our differences are
everyone needs to realize we have a common enemy, the company
It didn't take me long to figure out when I started working here that to them you're just a your employee number nothing more nothing less.

You are correct... in the US-- the American worker is to the point of being economically persecuted, while the business owners, and leaders reap billions that are used to lobby politicians for corporate laws, regulations, and political favors that serve to further suppress the middle-class!
 
A good example is the recent UAW defeat at the Tennessee VW plant. The German company was considered friendly, to neutral in letting the workers unionize. VW even allowed the UAW to enter the plant to organize the workers. It was the politicians that were lobbied heavily by the likes of the Koch Brothers, which swayed public opinion enough to suppress a victory for the UAW.
 
Here is an excellent article concerning this...
 
 Wall Street Journal Article

 

[roabilly]

josh  stop now   sick n tired of seein you blast the flippin iam for the past  the past is the past  get the he!! over it now  enough    we as iam members have been treated badly by those flippin dirty ole donkeys runnin the show   I believe we are now in the better position whereas if the strike were to happen today  we walk the line      to hell with usairways n the donkeys that run the new aa        contracts now   locked n loaded   fire away

Why do you guys not have Josh on ignore?

 

[roabilly]

 



 

• Collective Bargaining Under the Railway Labor Act

1. As a first step, both sides serve a “Section 6 Notice” detailing proposed changes to an existing labor contract. Once a Section 6 notice has been served, bargaining enters the first of potentially many stages. An agreement could be reached at any stage.
2. Bargaining continues until the parties reach agreement, or either side breaks off negotiations or requests mediation by the National Mediation Board (NMB). The NMB also can proffer mediation on its own. Once in mediation, the NMB controls the schedule of talks and the timing of release from mediation. There is no time limit. Mediation usually continues for as long as the NMB believes that an agreement is possible.
3. If the NMB believes further mediation will not bring the parties to agreement, it offers binding arbitration to both sides.
4. If either side refuses arbitration, the status quo is maintained during a 30-day “cooling off” period, during which self-help* is not permitted. After the cooling off period, self-help is permitted.
5. During the cooling off period, the NMB may determine that the dispute threatens “to interrupt interstate commerce.” If the NMB makes this determination, it notifies the President, who may choose to appoint a Presidential Emergency Board (PEB) to investigate the dispute and issue recommendations.
6. The parties can accept or reject the PEB’s recommendations. If either party rejects them, they can resort to self-help* after 30 days. On a number of occasions, Congress has stepped in to halt a strike.

Prez...
 
Excellent graphic... the RLA as a map is pretty easy to understand as we work our way through the process. We should add a "You are here" arrow to indicate our current place in the process...

 

[700UW]

There won't be a strike and regardless if given the opportunity I don't think the IAM would have the balls to act. It's convenient for them to blame the company, blame the NMB, blame the politicians, blame the process stacked against unions/airline employees (which I agree it is) than to take any action. US hasn't treated their employees well yet AA employees believe they will be treated differently.

Josh

 

Robbed I didn't flame bait, I agreed US is not treating you fairly and that the process is stacked against you guys. 700 is the one baiting me.

Josh

I did no such thing, you are the one who always starts and everyone is sick and tired of you and your bashing, these current IAM members at US want what they deserve and at every turn you mock them, and attack.
 
Where did I bait you? I never made a post to you, you commented on a post I did. Take responsibility for the crap stirrer you are.
 
This post that you replied too and started your usual bashing was addressed with a conversation that CLTRAT and I were having.  No where were you involved in the conversation.
 
 

700UW, on 16 Feb 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:
 
They dont give a rat's ### about anyone, no pun intended.
 
I dealt with all of them from being a shop steward, local lodge office, negotiating committee member, and District Rep.

They need a good awakening.
 
 

 
No where were you in the conversation.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You aren't an IAM member nor a US. Employee, you have no idea of what will go on or what is taking place. The members have had enough, what happened at UA is UA, they haven't been through what US employees have. And they won't settle for a POS CBA, and if they need to strike, they will. So go back to your office and earn some money for JP, $20 billion is a big fine to pay.

We may be wrong, but I do agree with you that our members won't be anywhere close to settling for a POS CBA.  I also think they are super pissed off and ready to blow up. The time period after a cooling off may be very appropriate as an avenue for the members to finally be able to legally engage the issues and let their voice be known.  IMO, it will be a retarded miscalculation by management to play games.  Most of us have actually been looking forward to the time after a cooling off.  I encourage it and hope the NMB can get this started ASAP.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well... let's put it this way... their toes will be a little closer to the fire...
 
You are correct... in the US-- the American worker is to the point of being economically persecuted, while the business owners, and leaders reap billions that are used to lobby politicians for corporate laws, regulations, and political favors that serve to further suppress the middle-class!
 
A good example is the recent UAW defeat at the Tennessee VW plant. The German company was considered friendly, to neutral in letting the workers unionize. VW even allowed the UAW to enter the plant to organize the workers. It was the politicians that were lobbied heavily by the likes of the Koch Brothers, which swayed public opinion enough to suppress a victory for the UAW.
 
Here is an excellent article concerning this...
 
 Wall Street Journal Article

The FAA reauthorization bill comes back up.  Not surprisingly, Delta is flying employees to DC.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/25/959985/-Anti-union-push-in-FAA-reauthorization-gets-help-from-nbsp-Delta
 
I remain disappointed in Democrats and other social organizations for not alienating or coming up more vocally against the minority Republicans who seem to bully and get their way. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Prez...
 
Excellent graphic... the RLA as a map is pretty easy to understand as we work our way through the process. We should add a "You are here" arrow to indicate our current place in the process...

The IAM will not accept binding arbitration. I think Fleet service getting placed on the 30 day is the best scenario. A PEB has never been granted for non licensed personnel.  Only 3 times for licensed, one of which was regarding USair mx.  It's a big stretch to suggest that fleet service for the 5th biggest airline will shut down the industry. I think fleet service is only 6,000 workers so a PEB is not likely imo.  I know some folks are saying that the NMB would never allow the world's biggest airline to go on strike, but the case before it is NOT the world's biggest airline.  3,000 mx, or 6,000 fleet service isn't going to shut down the airline industry.
Of course, part of my assumption is that Obama will lean our way.

 

[700UW]

Tim,
Both 30 day cooling off periods I was involved with for M&R was actually a quite enjoyable experience, working by the book.
 
Tim, we never had a PEB at US, we had a strike in 92 and a 30 day cooling off period in 99.

UA and NW M&R both had PEBs.

 

[Harry Callahan]

I so want to be wrong but I just can't see Fleet working by the book.
 
Harry
No contract No sacrifice.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I so want to be wrong but I just can't see Fleet working by the book.
 
Harry
No contract No sacrifice.

I think the present predicament has the processes winding down so that fleet needs to focus on the predicament after a cooling off. There will be plenty of time, legally, for self help after a cooling off.  Some workers are actually working overtime now in preparation for after the cooling off.

 

[freedom]

Are you sure their doing it in preperoation of the self help or simply becuase its hard to find hours to pick up these days ....

If the membership wont work by the book then the membership wont support a strike .