2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Are you sure their doing it in preperoation of the self help or simply becuase its hard to find hours to pick up these days ....

If the membership wont work by the book then the membership wont support a strike .

That's not necessarily true. Things are more focused with a strike, officially supported by the leadership, and better protected after a cooling off. 

 

[roabilly]

The IAM will not accept binding arbitration. I think Fleet service getting placed on the 30 day is the best scenario. A PEB has never been granted for non licensed personnel.  Only 3 times for licensed, one of which was regarding USair mx.  It's a big stretch to suggest that fleet service for the 5th biggest airline will shut down the industry. I think fleet service is only 6,000 workers so a PEB is not likely imo.  I know some folks are saying that the NMB would never allow the world's biggest airline to go on strike, but the case before it is NOT the world's biggest airline.  3,000 mx, or 6,000 fleet service isn't going to shut down the airline industry.
Of course, part of my assumption is that Obama will lean our way.

In a perfect world, sans politics, you and I would probably get along like we did in 08...
I like the new... “no personal agenda” Nelson... 
 
P.S. The Re-Authorization Act... and the proposed National Right To Work Act... are the most damaging pieces of legislation to ever be levied against Airline Workers. Tea-Party Republicans, along with House dominance, are major factors in obstruction to thwarting these endeavors by Labor Groups.

 

[freedom]

That's not necessarily true. Things are more focused with a strike, officially supported by the leadership, and better protected after a cooling off.

Hogwash, if the membership will not take the easiest action such as working more slowly it is foolhardy to assume they will then take the most extreme....

 

[rockit2]

Back to the UAW and VW, I remember when the Teamsters first tried to organize in CLT, they made no headway because of the southern mentality. I do believe that if a company pays well and the benefits are good , the people will vote no. Look at Delta, there pay and benefits rival any union carrier.
 
If a vote ever came on this propertey, I truly believe we would lose the IAM.
 
Just sayin

 

[Tim Nelson]

In a perfect world, sans politics, you and I would probably get along like we did in 08...
I like the new... “no personal agenda” Nelson... 
 
P.S. The Re-Authorization Act... and the proposed National Right To Work Act... are the most damaging pieces of legislation to ever be levied against Airline Workers. Tea-Party Republicans, along with House dominance, are major factors in obstruction to thwarting these endeavors by Labor Groups.

i think our case offers some success possibilities and could be used as a model for change. This really isnt just about us and AH, everything with the middle class will be further determined for the better or worse by this case if everyone was forced to take the battle lines. At this point, AH hasnt offered us a choice.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Hogwash, if the membership will not take the easiest action such as working more slowly it is foolhardy to assume they will then take the most extreme....

i just disagree with you freedom. I dont think what you said is certified. Simply put, people differ between these things as "by the book" isnt so defined and never organized in such a way as a strike vote.

 

[mike33]

Hogwash, if the membership will not take the easiest action such as working more slowly it is foolhardy to assume they will then take the most extreme....

See thats your problem...you can't differentiate " working  slowly " and " working by the book ".  Those are entirely 2 different things. The first can get you in trouble with the company and the second can get you what you need !!!!!
 
 Locked and Loaded !!

 

[Kev3188]

The FAA reauthorization bill comes back up.  Not surprisingly, Delta is flying employees to DC.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/25/959985/-Anti-union-push-in-FAA-reauthorization-gets-help-from-nbsp-Delta
 
I remain disappointed in Democrats and other social organizations for not alienating or coming up more vocally against the minority Republicans who seem to bully and get their way. 

 
Not for nothing, that article's from 2011, but you can best believe they'll do it again when needed.
 
I share your disappointment at the left's willingness to be bullied...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Another thing when comparing" by the book' and/or strike/strike vote is that one is deemed illegal and a breach of contract if done in a concerted way. Therefore there is never anything officially said. Better chances with strike vote support since it is organized and official.

 

[roabilly]

Back to the UAW and VW, I remember when the Teamsters first tried to organize in CLT, they made no headway because of the southern mentality. I do believe that if a company pays well and the benefits are good , the people will vote no. Look at Delta, there pay and benefits rival any union carrier.
 
If a vote ever came on this propertey, I truly believe we would lose the IAM.
 
Just sayin

What the UAW case illustrated was cultural differences between the EU and US. VW is a union friendly company (believe it or not). You will not find a culture like that from US corporations.
 
The main inhibitors were the contributors! Corporate America shells out billions to finance political campaigns to push legislative agendas that are corporate friendly.
The Koch Brothers are one of the main contributors to these lobbyists.
 
How does this affect us as Fleet Service? It creates an unleveled playing field for corporations to introduce legislation like Citizens United, FAA Re-Authorization, and the National Right to Work Act, which has... and will further erode middle-class income in this country.
 
Every Fleet Service Member should be aware not only of the corporate enemy, but the political enemy as well!
 
 
KOCH BROTHERS
 
KOCH BROTHERS

 

[737823]

What value do unions, especially the IAM bring to the table when they willingly give up scope language and hard fought benefits like pensions as we have seen at Boeing, Caterpillar, Lockheed Martin, and now United? What message does it send to the unorgnanized sCO agents who joined the IAM and then discover if in a few years they don't relocate to another city they are without a job?

Josh

 

[pjirish317]

Tim,
 
I have a question for you. On the unitedforchange ticket, how come there are only 3 US people running, arent there supposed to be 5? How is this fair to US employees? 2 less seats/votes on the Eboard. I thought you were all about US having a fair voice on the Eboard, so why is the unitedforchange ticket missing 2 US spots?

 

[roabilly]

Tim,
 
I have a question for you. On the unitedforchange ticket, how come there are only 3 US people running, arent there supposed to be 5? How is this fair to US employees? 2 less seats/votes on the Eboard. I thought you were all about US having a fair voice on the Eboard, so why is the unitedforchange ticket missing 2 US spots?

I would like to know his answer to this as well...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
I have a question for you. On the unet, how come there are only 3 US people running, arent there supposed to be 5? How is this fair to US employees? 2 less seats/votes on the Eboard. I thought you were all about US having a fair voice on the Eboard, so why is the unitedforchange ticket missing 2 US spots?

It has just as many full time spots as any other ticket. Id rather have more full time spots in the district for usairways. The part time, non representing spots, are in sore need of upgrading. Politically, the district has shifted to special reps and employees. Unforunately, the usairways agcs have not been successful in making sure that usairways is represented in these additional full time spots.That has to change. Im confident that if i get back in that we can further our full time representation and not just have all the special reps and directors all United airlines like they are now.

At any rate, tickets dont create "spots" just candidates. Pj if it is important to you then you can vote for the two usairways candidates on the two year agc term instead of continental members but my hunch is that you may support the establishment ticket.

As i said earlier it looks like nobody from the establishment delaney ticket is going to make it, especially not low hanging fruit. But usairways is always low hanging fruit regardless of ticket due to the demogrphics so its possible that usairways will end up with zero representation if usairways members are split or push a losing ticket.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Tim, I have a question for you. On the unitedforchange ticket, how come there are only 3 US people running, arent there supposed to be 5? How is this fair to US employees? 2 less seats/votes on the Eboard. I thought you were all about US having a fair voice on the Eboard, so why is the unitedforchange ticket missing 2 US spots?

You're lucky that you even have a job! :-D