2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[pjirish317]

It has just as many full time spots as any other ticket. Id rather have more full time spots in the district for usairways. The part time, non representing spots, are in sore need of upgrading. Politically, the district has shifted to special reps and employees. Unforunately, the usairways agcs have not been successful in making sure that usairways is represented in these additional full time spots.That has to change. Im confident that if i get back in that we can further our full time representation and not just have all the special reps and directors all United airlines like they are now.

At any rate, tickets dont create "spots" just candidates. Pj if it is important to you then you can vote for the two usairways candidates on the two year agc term instead of continental members but my hunch is that you may support the establishment ticket.

As i said earlier it looks like nobody from the establishment delaney ticket is going to make it, especially not low hanging fruit. But usairways is always low hanging fruit regardless of ticket due to the demogrphics so its possible that usairways will end up with zero representation if usairways members are split or push a losing ticket.

So you want the US members to support a UA/CO stacked ticket, that leaves US people hanging? Seriously? And what exactly is a "full time spot" vs. a "part time spot"? Please let us know why we at US should support a ticke that leaves US out in the cold? The way I see it, you are supporting this idea in your grab for power. Leave US with less representation at the district level just to advance your own personal agenda. And BTW, has the candidate out of PHL on your slate, has he even written a grievance? Handled any hearings at any level? I think when preaching the unitedforchange ticket. you explain why US is 2 people short. Because from where I sit, it looks like you would rather be with UA/CO than your US brothes and sisters.

 

[ChockJockey]

Hogwash, if the membership will not take the easiest action such as working more slowly it is foolhardy to assume they will then take the most extreme....

 
There are actually quite a few people on the ramp who, though pissed off at the company and their unwillingness to negotiate, still put a lot of effort into their work nonetheless because they take pride in what they do and that's how they're used to working.  That doesn't mean they won't strike if it comes down it, many will welcome the opportunity if/when it comes.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So you want the US members to support a UA/CO stacked ticket, that leaves US people hanging? Seriously? And what exactly is a "full time spot" vs. a "part time spot"? Please let us know why we at US should support a ticke that leaves US out in the cold? The way I see it, you are supporting this idea in your grab for power. Leave US with less representation at the district level just to advance your own personal agenda. And BTW, has the candidate out of PHL on your slate, has he even written a grievance? Handled any hearings at any level? I think when preaching the unitedforchange ticket. you explain why US is 2 people short. Because from where I sit, it looks like you would rather be with UA/CO than your US brothes and sisters.

PJ,
Thats a ridiculous notion all around. Its not any sort of power grab to agree to run on a ticket that is simply not my own. That said, i fully support each candidate on the ticket im on. That also means that i support the united candiate over charlie brown. Why wouldnt i, and also ask the members to, when cb endorsed an anti union contract at united that put our craft in harms way? I dont care about logos when all delaneys team endorsed the united contract and didnt have the stones not to. You told me that you could have never supported the united contract but you support those whose work it was. Puzzling indeed.
both tickets are united stacked with the same amount of full time usairways spots. Slates dont pick spots...slates pick candidates. And i believe everyone on delaneys team need to go. Kindly review this forum two years ago. I told you how your boys were going to hose united but you just didnt listen. Im not a prophet but i was "Spot on' but you still just dont listen and now you are dug in and may be voting for those candidates who endorsed a contract that you couldnt even vote for. Cmon maaaaannnnnn

 

[700UW]

In addition to the discussion about United, last week's meeting focused on the deteriorating state of negotiations at former US Airways. Direct negotiations between the IAM and New American Airlines have not occurred since before the merger was finalized. The National Mediation Board has not scheduled a negotiation session in the foreseeable future either.
 
Conversations with the NMB, without the company present, have not proven to be helpful to resolving the outstanding issues both District 141 and District 142 negotiating teams have. The only avenue left, in our opinion, is to follow the Railway Labor Act and be released from our current status of mediation and be offered binding arbitration to settle the remaining issues, most of which are compensation based. This offer would not resolve negotiations but would allow the rest of the Railway Labor Act to be enacted - up to and including a possible strike by members or a lockout by US Airways. Members of the US Airways Negotiating Team, along with District 141 Officers, have begun the communication process to inform and educate US Airways members about the RLA, the legal and IAM Constitutional requirements of a potential work stoppage, and the need to prepare themselves, their families, and creditors about the possibility of temporary loss of work. The Railway Labor Act is designed to limit employees' ability to strike and it is not a speedy process. Members should begin now to save money where they can, delay unnecessary new debt, and become as familiar with the Railway Labor Act as possible so they know what to expect in the coming months.
 
Negotiating teams for both the Fleet Service classification and the Mechanic and Related classifications are eager and prepared to return to the bargaining table as soon as directed by the NMB. We are equally prepared to lawfully follow the RLA to get the contracts our members have directed us to get. We are reaching out to our members for their continued support and reaching out to our new Alliance partners, the TWU, and other labor groups within the airline for their understanding and support for IAM members.
 

 

[Tim Nelson]

 
There are actually quite a fele on the ramp who, though pissed off at the company and their unwillingness to negotiate, still put a lot of effort into their work nonetheless because they take pride in what they do and that's how they're used to working.  That doesn't mean they won't strike if it comes down it, many will welcome the opportunity if/when it comes.

doing the job professionally is a way of life for alot of people. You are correct.

 

[Jester]

Freedom,
 
Many won't work by the book because they see shop stewards who aren't working by the book, and these are shop stewards to whom I have a great deal of respect.  Now if they aren't doing it, then why should I stick my head up to be hammered by some Manager as the flight takes a delay?
 
A strike on the other hand has a completely different dimension insofar it has been sanctioned officially by the union with the complete backing of all Federal laws and multiple layers of criteria permitting the job action as transport workers.  Not to mention, there would be intense group pressure by co-workers who take to the picket line versus those who consider crossing the line. 
 
Personally, I wouldn't want to be the guy who crossed the picket line and when everyone was called back to work after the strike ended and the ensuing harassment.

 

[ograc]

Freedom,
 
Many won't work by the book because they see shop stewards who aren't working by the book, and these are shop stewards to whom I have a great deal of respect.  Now if they aren't doing it, then why should I stick my head up to be hammered by some Manager as the flight takes a delay?
 
A strike on the other hand has a completely different dimension insofar it has been sanctioned officially by the union with the complete backing of all Federal laws and multiple layers of criteria permitting the job action as transport workers.  Not to mention, there would be intense group pressure by co-workers who take to the picket line versus those who consider crossing the line. 
 
Personally, I wouldn't want to be the guy who crossed the picket line and when everyone was called back to work after the strike ended and the ensuing harassment.

harassment is putting it mildly. They better be watching their backs for the rest of their career. They represent candidates who die by "friendly fire" in combat and military operations. They will forever be labeled as "scab" in the labor movement. 
Lock and Load Brothers and Sisters!

 

[pjirish317]

PJ,
Thats a ridiculous notion all around. Its not any sort of power grab to agree to run on a ticket that is simply not my own. That said, i fully support each candidate on the ticket im on. That also means that i support the united candiate over charlie brown. Why wouldnt i, and also ask the members to, when cb endorsed an anti union contract at united that put our craft in harms way? I dont care about logos when all delaneys team endorsed the united contract and didnt have the stones not to. You told me that you could have never supported the united contract but you support those whose work it was. Puzzling indeed.
both tickets are united stacked with the same amount of full time usairways spots. Slates dont pick spots...slates pick candidates. And i believe everyone on delaneys team need to go. Kindly review this forum two years ago. I told you how your boys were going to hose united but you just didnt listen. Im not a prophet but i was "Spot on' but you still just dont listen and now you are dug in and may be voting for those candidates who endorsed a contract that you couldnt even vote for. Cmon maaaaannnnnn

Ok, so How many US people total, not just "Full Time Spot's", are running on your slate? And how many are running on the opposing slate? I'll give you a hint, you have three (3) US people total,  and the opposition has five (5). Regardless how you slice it, we are two (2) down with your ticket. How is that a good thing for US people? So please don't be "intellectually dishonest", as you like to say, when saying they have the same number of spots. You need to tell the whole truth, and not just what you want people to hear.

 

[freedom]

There is yet another factor to a strike that I dread to see and that is the end of our work place family ....

I already know that there are some people who have their minds made up on crossing (not me) and once they do it will forever shatter the tranqulity of our work place ... I dont think I could stand to look at another Man who played it safe while the rest of us stuck our necks out ( free Rider theory ) ....

All in all i think im going to pray tonight that our issues will yet be solved without the need for extream measures ....

 

[ograc]

There is yet another factor to a strike that I dread to see and that is the end of our work place family ....

I already know that there are some people who have their minds made up on crossing (not me) and once they do it will forever shatter the tranqulity of our work place ... I dont think I could stand to look at another Man who played it safe while the rest of us stuck our necks out ( free Rider theory ) ....

All in all i think im going to pray tonight that our issues will yet be solved without the need for extream measures ....

members' decisions under the heat of the battle are theirs to make. once those decisions are made they will be subject to the consequences.I too, hope and pray, our issues will be resolved without the need for extreme measures. if extreme measures are engaged, however, NO ONE will get a free ride. Pass that along to the people you speak to that plan on crossing. "Friendly Fire" casualties are unfortunately part of any conflict.  

 

[necigrad]

In New York I know that they've been told they're not allowed to wear those "Contract Now" buttons so one enterprising official came up with a great solution. He filled one of the Union Bulletin boards with the buttons instead.

I can't remember where I read it, but I believe union buttons cannot be larger than 1 inch.  I could e wrong, especially since that might be from my AWA days, but I seem to recall hearing that somewhere.
 

If the membership wont work by the book then the membership wont support a strike .

I do my job.  I'd like to think that I do my job well.  I also am well aware that there is likely not one shift that I am 100% in compliance with the GOM.  With the amount of experience I have, I'd like to think that any deviations are rational, logical, and not unsafe, but I'm also not 100% by the book.  Every once in a while I (gasp!) drive between two gates without a seatbelt.  A for the real scandal, sometimes the only practical path on a gate is located under the wing...  I don't do it to be in violation, I do it to get my job done.  I'm proud to say that I do my job, even if I'm not perfectly in compliance.

I might not work by the book 100% of the time, but I damn well guarantee you that if it comes to a strike, I will honor it.

 

[necigrad]

Can someone tell the United employees that run the DL141 website that DL141 isn't just for UA?  I get that there is more UA members then US, but the UA stuff is always front page and the US stuff is buried elsewhere.  Use the front page for headlines and breif updates for ALL airlines, then have the actual article on the relevant page.

 

[rockit2]

harassment is putting it mildly. They better be watching their backs for the rest of their career. They represent candidates who die by "friendly fire" in combat and military operations. They will forever be labeled as "scab" in the labor movement. 
Lock and Load Brothers and Sisters!

I disagree with that, people may stop talking to the scab, but no one has the balls to kick anybody's arse on the property in fear of losing their own job. HR would be all over it.

 

[rockit2]

I disagree with that, people may stop talking to the scab, but no one has the balls to kick anybody's arse on the property in fear of losing their own job. HR would be all over it.

I would also watch the rhetoric you are using at the end of your post, that may be deemed hostile.

 

[737823]

Can someone tell the United employees that run the DL141 website that DL141 isn't just for UA?  I get that there is more UA members then US, but the UA stuff is always front page and the US stuff is buried elsewhere.  Use the front page for headlines and breif updates for ALL airlines, then have the actual article on the relevant page.

I thought IAM 141 communicator works for US and posts here as BLUTO.

Josh