2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[ograc]

I disagree with that, people may stop talking to the scab, but no one has the balls to kick anybody's arse on the property in fear of losing their own job. HR would be all over it.

Who said anything about physically kicking anyone's arse? There are countless ways to make a scab's remaining days at US/AA miserable. Means that HR would, if a complaint was filed, sweep under the rug and find the charges "unsubstantiated". 

 

[ograc]

I would also watch the rhetoric you are using at the end of your post, that may be deemed hostile.

Do not mistake the truth for rhetoric. "Friendly fire" certainly exists. Ask anyone who has been in harm's way through combat. Those who choose to cross their own picket line forever alienate themselves from their fellow members and co workers. Do not mean to come across hostile. Just stating the truth, concerning the possible consequences, of one's decisions under fire.

 

[ChockJockey]

I thought IAM 141 communicator works for US and posts here as BLUTO.

Josh

 
I don't know who he is, but I'd like to know what happened to him since now he makes posts like this:
 

WHN TIM DONT HVE
ANY HELP ON HERE
HE INVINTS IT
THATZ Y HE NEED
DOOSH 2 MAKE HM
LOOK GOOD
 
DAVE

 
But used to write posts like this:
 

Regardless if we deviated from a specific topic or not, we we were able to demonstrate a collective intelligence that presented hard accurate information regarding the "supposed" industry reasons for outsourcing work. I think that is why they call them threads!

The company is a chameleon when it comes to image and perception. It portrays itself as a struggling low-fare carrier to the workers, and a full service international legacy to the public. So, don't be foolish enough to think that just because some corporate stuffed shirt proclaims the practice as necessary to defend a competitive business model that you should accept it as gospel.

 
Does the poor man have a degenerative brain condition, did he decide to stop making sense and post as a functional illiterate, or did he merely pass his login info on to a cretin of fractional brainpower?

 

[rockit2]

Do not mistake the truth for rhetoric. "Friendly fire" certainly exists. Ask anyone who has been in harm's way through combat. Those who choose to cross their own picket line forever alienate themselves from their fellow members and co workers. Do not mean to come across hostile. Just stating the truth, concerning the possible consequences, of one's decisions under fire.

Well, whatever. The way society perceives threats, your L AND L comments may be taken out of context. If HR wanted to spin and twist it, you could be facing termination. Just giving you a tip.

 

[BLUTO]

 
I don't know who he is, but I'd like to know what happened to him since now he makes posts like this:
 
 
But used to write posts like this:
 
 
Does the poor man have a degenerative brain condition, did he decide to stop making sense and post as a functional illiterate, or did he merely pass his login info on to a cretin of fractional brainpower?

S***! 8 YRS O
KOLLEGE DWN
THE FREAKIN
DRAIN!
 
LOCK AN LOD!
 
DAVE

 

[ograc]

Well, whatever. The way society perceives threats, your L AND L comments may be taken out of context. If HR wanted to spin and twist it, you could be facing termination. Just giving you a tip.

Really??? Lock and Load is an order given to troops prior to advancing into battle. i believe, based on the action or inaction of the company in contract negotiations, we are being forced to advance. Merely a term used to ready the troops, or in this case, the membership. By the way... I am not the only one on this thread who has used the term.

 

[ChockJockey]

S***! 8 YRS O
KOLLEGE DWN
THE FREAKIN
DRAIN!
 
LOCK AN LOD!
 
DAVE

 
Okay thanks.

 

[WeAAsles]

Why would anyone bring up HR in the course of this conversation? If a person has the balls to cross a picket line then absolutely everyone knows what that person is made of and who they would go running to and support. That's not a Union man. That's a Company man and someone that we're stuck with who never understood that the benefits he enjoys today were not freely given to him but were fought for over many many years.

Personally I would not risk my job for any SCAB by physically assualting them but. The Union should absolutely make a list of those people who cross the line and when everyone is back make sure it gets out there. We're a group who work very closely together and share a cameraderie. We joke around with each other. HR can't force us to continue to do that with someone who showed us NO respect by their actions.

I think ostracizing someone and singling them out would be 10 times worse than a beatdown anyway. And if you look at the history of airline strikes, most of them haven't lasted more than a week at most. Anyone who SCABS knowing that fact is out of their minds.

 

[WeAAsles]

And if they thought that running over to a TWU represented city is another option after it's over. We would have their names as well on our side. Just food for thought.

 

[pjirish317]

Ok, so How many US people total, not just "Full Time Spot's", are running on your slate? And how many are running on the opposing slate? I'll give you a hint, you have three (3) US people total,  and the opposition has five (5). Regardless how you slice it, we are two (2) down with your ticket. How is that a good thing for US people? So please don't be "intellectually dishonest", as you like to say, when saying they have the same number of spots. You need to tell the whole truth, and not just what you want people to hear.

Tim?
Crickets anybody?

 

[rockit2]

Tim?
Crickets anybody?

If my information is correct, only three of our five agc's are up for re-election, the other two will be in two years. Nelson called the ua cba down the line. I'll give him a chance, Delaney hates him like most of you, so that could be a good thing.

 

[pjirish317]

If my information is correct, only three of our five agc's are up for re-election, the other two will be in two years. Nelson called the ua cba down the line. I'll give him a chance, Delaney hates him like most of you, so that could be a good thing.

 
Fair enough rockit2. My point was, that Tim is being "intellectually dishonest" about how many US people are on each ticket. I want Tim to tell the Whole Truth, not just the part he wants people to hear.

 

[BLUTO]

I thought IAM 141 communicator works for US and posts here as BLUTO.

Josh

HEY DOOSH
CUMUNICATER
THIS--  EFF U!
 
BLUTO

 

[Tim Nelson]

 
Fair enough rockit2. My point was, that Tim is being "intellectually dishonest" about how many US people are on each ticket. I want Tim to tell the Whole Truth, not just the part he wants people to hear.

You are absurd.
I have said that each ticket has the exact same amount of full time representatives, i.e., AGC's. Delaney's ticket has an extra trustee and VP who are US AIRWAYS.  Neither of which is a full time job.  A trustee is someone who signs checks once a month. It's a non representative position.  You also have a VP, Charlie Brown.  The difference between the two tickets, if you separate by logo, is that the ticket I chose to support has a United person running against Charlie Brown.  Yes, I support that candidate, as it is my opinion that even the current US AIRWAYS eboard members didn't make a difference when they endorsed the United contract and couldn't stand up to Delaney.  If you can't stand up to Delaney, then how can you stand up to AH?  So, color me bad for supporting a United guy over CB.  I'll vote for the United candidate 10 out of 10 times against CB because the guy has stones and a few things CB left behind.
 
 Slates don't pick spots......slates pick candidates.  
 
In fact, you told me yourself that you could never vote for the United contract.  What person dislikes the watch but supports the watchmaker?   You probably will push for the entire ticket of Delaney's.  Will you tell your US AIRWAYS members that 90% lost their home nomination, as incumbent officers???  I wish that when CB hands out his slate card in CLT tomorrow that he fully discloses to those US AIRWAYS members who he is deceiving [due to personal gain] that EVERYONE on his ballot from United, save 1, could NOT EVEN WIN THEIR HOME NOMINATION.  In fact, Troy Rivera from SFO finished dead last, along with Sandy Gardner in DEN.  
 
Yet, CB is doing the one thing he said he wouldn't do.  He is playing politics with the lives of our members by pushing deadbeat incumbents who CAN"T WIN AT HOME.  Why?  Because "That's CB"s Team".  Never mind that the United folks are voting against them because of all the lies.     
 
CLT should realize when Joe Bartz comes to the local tomorrow that he finished second to last in voting in ORD.  NOT ONE STOREKEEPER showed up for him, yet CB wants US AIRWAYS to show up for Joe Bartz.  Imagine that, not ONE STOREKEEPER in ORD showed up for Bartz but CB wants US AIRWAYS to.  Puzzling? Not hardly.  Puhleeeeassseeeeee PJ don't get me started on all the deadweight that YOU want just because MF tells you.  I bet you even fill out all the absentees for MF come June and get another free pizza and suds?
 
Did you know that the current AGC's lost 80 grievances in PHL?  I mean, the grievances were misplaced completely.  They were the 80 grievances that FO said were a 'slam dunk' and were suppose to be fasttracked but the grievances disappeared, probably because they were misplaced.  They called the company and the company didn't have them.  C'mon PJ, don't get me started

 

[737823]

HEY DOOSH
CUMUNICATER
THIS--  EFF U!
 
BLUTO

Are you celebrating the station closures and PT downgrades at UAL? Maybe you should go visit your company buddies to hire temporary ramp service employees for the summer.

Josh