2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

You are absolutely right.  The only way this thing falls apart is due to politics.  I don't think it will fall apart because it makes incredible sense and builds solidarity.

It's not just politics Tim. There's still a little bit of left over emotions from situations that happened years ago that people refuse to get over. Of course you absolutely hope that the larger picture can be seen above someone's personal hurt feelings or resentments but that crap is up to them to be able to move past and forward from.

I'd like to see a joint IAM/TWU association webpage myself where the two Unions in tandem put out information updating us on their progress. I'd like to see a picture of the Presidents of both Unions and there reps taken in front of a joint banner honoring the years both have been in existance. Let's get a little real kum bay ya going here already.

We need members from both sides hearing more about the benefits of these two great Unions standing together and what that means to and for them. Don't just tell the members that this is good for them, sell it to them!

 

[mike33]

We need members from both sides hearing more about the benefits of these two great Unions standing together and what that means to and for them. Don't just tell the members that this is good for them, sell it to them!

It's a hard sell when you have no salesmen. Everyone seems to be left thinking for themselves because of lack of knowledge regarding the outcome of this Association.

 

[WeAAsles]

It's a hard sell when you have no salesmen. Everyone seems to be left thinking for themselves because of lack of knowledge regarding the outcome of this Association.

The outcome of it is going to be whatever we want to make of it. It's strength is going to lie in how strongly we support it.

To me this idea was forward thinking. It's better to join together then be scattered and fragmented. Their are plenty of Labor experts out their that have released essays saying that if the movement wants to continue to be a force in the future that it's imperative to begin to form alliances now. Not just Nationally but Globally as well.

Like anyone else at first I wasn't jumping up and down over the idea. But to me my reaction was more of a HUH? But after a little while and some selling from a Brother I started to open my mind to it. I'm curious by nature anyway so I want to see what can happen with this?

Aside from that if you're speaking of the NO Union choice. Uh uh! Never!!!!! Not me.....

 

[ograc]

No, the membership will be voting on it.
 

So.... when is the "completion of the merger"? Now? After single carrier status? After single operating certificate? After a final Transition Agreement? The "completion of the merger" is not clearly defined. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

It's not just politics Tim. There's still a little bit of left over emotions from situations that happened years ago that people refuse to get over. Of course you absolutely hope that the larger picture can be seen above someone's personal hurt feelings or resentments but that crap is up to them to be able to move past and forward from.

I'd like to see a joint IAM/TWU association webpage myself where the two Unions in tandem put out information updating us on their progress. I'd like to see a picture of the Presidents of both Unions and there reps taken in front of a joint banner honoring the years both have been in existance. Let's get a little real kum bay ya going here already.

We need members from both sides hearing more about the benefits of these two great Unions standing together and what that means to and for them. Don't just tell the members that this is good for them, sell it to them!

+1

 

[Tim Nelson]

So.... when is the "completion of the merger"? Now? After single carrier status? After single operating certificate? After a final Transition Agreement? The "completion of the merger" is not clearly defined. 

The single carrier application triggers a representational dispute that leads to an election.  Only a union can do this....un, well, except for when US AIRWAYS became the first airline that was ever granted a representational election without a union asking for one [I know you didn't forget 1988].  We can thank George Bush Sr's NMB for that one.   The only other time, was a few years ago, again with the IBT, when the IBT Frontier mx refused to ask for a single carrier at Republic/Frontier. After 3 years, Republic management went to court and got a Federal judge to finally rule that a union couldn't just stall for years.  That casework won't apply here.

 

[WeAAsles]

 You know in regards to working each others flights which some people have been talking about. When the unions work out a letter of agreement, I think the TWU will advise us. IMO, this will all be taken care of after a TA for you guys is ratified. In fact, I'd bet that the TA actually has this built in. Seems like a win win for everyone to me. What is most likely going to happen before June, [I hate to say but due to politics], is that there will be a TA presented to the membership. When I say TA, I mean the final proposal from the company. So, technically, I don't think the IAM will tentatively agree to it, but they will bring it back to the membership for a vote. When this happens, my hunch is that the union leadership will subtly endorse it through fear and will NOT recommend a rejection of it. We will see if a majority of members support it.

What do you think Tim?

 

[P. REZ]

 You know in regards to working each others flights which some people have been talking about. When the unions work out a letter of agreement, I think the TWU will advise us. IMO, this will all be taken care of after a TA for you guys is ratified. In fact, I'd bet that the TA actually has this built in. Seems like a win win for everyone to me. What is most likely going to happen before June, [I hate to say but due to politics], is that there will be a TA presented to the membership. When I say TA, I mean the final proposal from the company. So, technically, I don't think the IAM will tentatively agree to it, but they will bring it back to the membership for a vote. When this happens, my hunch is that the union leadership will subtly endorse it through fear and will NOT recommend a rejection of it. We will see if a majority of members support it.

What do you think Tim?

WeAAsles,
 
As a current leader and NC member, if you are talking about the current offer by the Company, there is ZERO chance I will endorse in any fashion.
 
P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

 You know in regards to working each others flights which some people have been talking about. When the unions work out a letter of agreement, I think the TWU will advise us. IMO, this will all be taken care of after a TA for you guys is ratified. In fact, I'd bet that the TA actually has this built in. Seems like a win win for everyone to me. What is most likely going to happen before June, [I hate to say but due to politics], is that there will be a TA presented to the membership. When I say TA, I mean the final proposal from the company. So, technically, I don't think the IAM will tentatively agree to it, but they will bring it back to the membership for a vote. When this happens, my hunch is that the union leadership will subtly endorse it through fear and will NOT recommend a rejection of it. We will see if a majority of members support it.

What do you think Tim?

I think it is likely. And it could be a win win for everyone if all those laid off were given a chance to come back before new hires. But if it's included in a nasty proposal then all bets are off.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok I just wanted to make sure that you agreed with yourself?  You seem to flip flop worse than Romney in a pancake house?  You're not bi-polar are you Tim? Corporations are not people my friend.

 

[blue collar]

The vote is for the approval of the membership for the alliance the IAM and TWU are bound by its terms that each party agreed too with each other.

How about the terms the TWU agreed to with the company for the 4% raise, that they must file within 6 months? Which is more legal and binding? Probably the one in effect...

 

[WeAAsles]

I notice at this moment that there seems to be a lot of people observing this thread. Tim do you care to make a comment? Since you are running for an elected position your members should at least try to get to know 6 of you rather than the 9 you portray to the world at large.

I seem to be developing a tick over my left eye. How can I stop that Tim?

 

[charlie Brown]

WeAAsles,
 
As a current leader and NC member, if you are talking about the current offer by the Company, there is ZERO chance I will endorse in any fashion.
 
P. Rez

Zero percent chance with me too Prez.

 

[ograc]

Zero percent chance with me too Prez.

DEFCON 3! (Increase in force readiness). The NC is sticking to exactly what the membership has demanded. A fair and equitable contract under Section 6 for the former US Fleet Service prior to entering into Transition Agreement talks. Unfortunately, the company believes they can divide, conquer and get us to submit to a sub par contract, or no contract at all, before moving forward with Transition talks. The task before the NC and the District at this point is seeing to it there is an increase in force readiness. Getting into the stations for Q&As. Q&A on the District website concerning the impending battle. Building solidarity through education. The opposition slate needs to put down the swords and contribute to this readiness. The time has come when the Fleet says enough is enough. It's time to prepare to walk the walk Brother and Sisters! Fall in!
Lock and Load!  

 

[robbedagain]

cb  or  prez   will the nc be visiting all of the mainline cities   not just the hubs?   and if so  do you have a list of the dates times and places yet