2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

That would be over 3,500 M&R.

 

[Tim Nelson]

That would be over 3,500 M&R.

True, and you are correct.  Southwest has nothing to do with the decision regarding US AIRWAYS.  BTW, there is movement at Southwest in negotiations and an impasse isn't even close I heard.
 
And, with US AIRWAYS management being very clear to the NMB by saying it is done negotiating and only wants us to trust it in joint talks,  the NMB must realize there in fact is an impasse.  I think this is going to be a great case for labor.  Not sure how the IAM can lose this one, either way, it seems to me that AH will have to offer something he didn't originally want to. In fact, he probably thought he wouldn't have to offer anything once he had the merger approved. That's the way it looks since the merger was approved. 

 

[WeAAsles]

US AIRWAYS is not the same airline as American.  Two different subsidiaries. This is your fatal flaw in your reasoning.  The case before the NMB is one of a 5th biggest airline who has only 3,000 mx. 
 
As far as the TWU,  700 is right.  The TWU already agreed to the association.  Any vote will be between the Association and going non union.  So, the association it is.  Case Closed and learn to support that. The sooner you do, the better off all of us will be.
 
Actually, the TWU already informed its members of this and the leadership has given 100% support for it.  Why won't you?

I'm sorry Tim but it didn't seem to me like NYer was saying that he did or didn't support the association. What I read is that the membership is the ultimate decider if we wind up having an association or not? So the timeline of that vote most certainly will be a factor in any possible decisions by the NMB.

 

[700UW]

There are numerous airlines in mediation and various work groups.
 
What is happening at WN, or UA has nothing to do with US, and I believe US would be first in line to be released.

 

[WeAAsles]

Going off on a personal tangent involving the association. I really hope the leadership of both unions are embracing the spirit of it wholeheartedly and not letting personal feelings or politics get in the way? Every time I turn on the news I see another story of a Union being attacked somewhere. If we want to survive the constant assaults by those who it seems lately are far more organized than we are, we are going to have to begin to combine our resources and strengths. 

The IAM and TWU have a known history of issues and mistrust and the time is now for those things to be thrown in the garbage where they belong. If all the Unions continue to squabble against each other eventually there won't be any more Unions left to fight it out with. And that means for all you political wannabe's their won't be anymore leather seats for your asses to sit in.

I want some news and I want some movement from this thing. Get your gears in motion already.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Going off on a personal tangent involving the association. I really hope the leadership of both unions are embracing the spirit of it wholeheartedly and not letting personal feelings or politics get in the way? Every time I turn on the news I see another story of a Union being attacked somewhere. If we want to survive the constant assaults by those who it seems lately are far more organized than we are, we are going to have to begin to combine our resources and strengths. 

The IAM and TWU have a known history of issues and mistrust and the time is now for those things to be thrown in the garbage where they belong. If all the Unions continue to squabble against each other eventually there won't be any more Unions left to fight it out with. And that means for all you political wannabe's their won't be anymore leather seats for your asses to sit in.

I want some news and I want some movement from this thing. Get your gears in motion already.

I couldn't agree more.  And I have been impressed with the AFLCIO getting this done.  I think the politics was left at the door when they signed the agreement.  The IBT's challenge probably allowed the TWU and IAM to realize that if they joined together that their membership and political might will be stronger. It seems to have worked out quite impressively.

 

[700UW]

From what I am hearing, Lombardo isnt a fan of the association, there have been high level meetings.
 
I think he will be on board,but it remains to be seen.

 

[Tim Nelson]

From what I am hearing, Lombardo isnt a fan of the association, there have been high level meetings.
 
I think he will be on board,but it remains to be seen.

You are joking? What are you saying that we may have to start a new signup of cards?  If so, I got about 1,000 TWU members in ORD that arent' too thrilled with the TWU.  And I think MIA already signed up hundreds.  You are giving me a headache 700, I hope this Association sticks.  What a mess if it doesn't.  I think the IAM wins any election though if that's the case, especially with a solid TA.  I heard Lombardo is on board but some of the Local Presidents aren't. But my info is  through an AGC.

 

[700UW]

Not joking, remember Lombardo wasnt President when the alliance was signed.
 
This was during the raid that I heard this stuff, Klima and others said there was going to be meetings with the TWU, but havent heard if there was a negative outcome.

 

[roabilly]

Guys, correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the Membership would NOT be voting on the association...
I thought it was already agreed to by both unions...

 

[700UW]

No, the membership will be voting on it.
 

Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?
 
A: Yes. Following the completion of the American – US Airways’ merger, the Associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.
 

 

[WeAAsles]

I couldn't agree more.  And I have been impressed with the AFLCIO getting this done.  I think the politics was left at the door when they signed the agreement.  The IBT's challenge probably allowed the TWU and IAM to realize that if they joined together that their membership and political might will be stronger. It seems to have worked out quite impressively.

I don't personally care who likes the association or who doesn't like it. The fact of the matter is that it is the best idea there is instead of going back to the ridiculous notion of fighting against each other for the crumbs. That's what it is when Unions fight each other for members, crumbs. 6% of the private sector is Unionized.

I posted Tim's quote here as an example that people who don't always see eye to eye can and should agree if it makes sense. On this one now I agree with Tim and give him a A+1

If anyone in one of our leadership positions on either side doesn't give this a 100% effort then they're fools and they do not deserve to be in leadership role. I respect intelligent leaders, not fools.

 

[P. REZ]

The company has a lot to lose.  I'm not suggesting you guys compromise anything as there has been way too much compromise already without any movement from the company. You guys have left yourselves with no room to compromise since you are only asking for the sAA wage. If you had asked for a lot more then you could move downward.  All along the company just kept saying no.  I suggest if there is a release that you guys increase your proposal, since the leverage gets increased. Then, maybe you will gain yourself the wiggle room you guys really should have thought about earlier.  Gosh forbid you wiggle any lower from the current proposal.

Tim,
 
Point of clarification on my part, there is wiggle room on our part. I'm talking compromise from a standpoint of getting the Company to address every single issue. Because of the lack of respect that this Company has for us a strike is inevitable IMO.
 
P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't personally care who likes the association or who doesn't like it. The fact of the matter is that it is the best idea there is instead of going back to the ridiculous notion of fighting against each other for the crumbs. That's what it is when Unions fight each other for members, crumbs. 6% of the private sector is Unionized.

I posted Tim's quote here as an example that people who don't always see eye to eye can and should agree if it makes sense. On this one now I agree with Tim and give him a A+1

If anyone in one of our leadership positions on either side doesn't give this a 100% effort then they're fools and they do not deserve to be in leadership role. I respect intelligent leaders, not fools.

You are absolutely right.  The only way this thing falls apart is due to politics.  I don't think it will fall apart because it makes incredible sense and builds solidarity.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Point of clarification on my part, there is wiggle room on our part. I'm talking compromise from a standpoint of getting the Company to address every single issue. Because of the lack of respect that this Company has for us a strike is inevitable IMO.
 
P. Rez

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