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robbedagain said:
cb  or  prez   will the nc be visiting all of the mainline cities   not just the hubs?   and if so  do you have a list of the dates times and places yet
Don't have a list yet. Some of us will be meeting in ord this coming week to make a plan on the cities and see which ones we need to get to. Many of them can be covered by the current guys that's on the nc in their respective cities. I'm thinking we will probably regionalize things, so many of us can do day trips wherever we need to.
 
WeAAsles said:
I notice at this moment that there seems to be a lot of people observing this thread. Tim do you care to make a comment? Since you are running for an elected position your members should at least try to get to know 6 of you rather than the 9 you portray to the world at large.

I seem to be developing a tick over my left eye. How can I stop that Tim?
Sorry WeAAsles, I went out.  I'm not sure of your point of contention? I said what I said and I believe it is fairly probable.
 
WeAAsles said:
Ok I just wanted to make sure that you agreed with yourself?  You seem to flip flop worse than Romney in a pancake house?  You're not bi-polar are you Tim? Corporations are not people my friend.

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WeAAisles,  this is Saturday night and I haven't the time much this weekend to engage in conversation
But, that's my opinion. It could be wrong but I think it is probable. The context of that full conversation was the issue of a side letter.  I don't believe anything will be worked out for sAA before a TA.  The issue of a sAA possibly coming back before a new hire seems like a win win for the company and for sAA.   
As far as a TA, I still think it will come in the form of a 'final company proposal'. I don't think the final proposal will be worthy for me to vote yes on. Not based on what Prez said.
And Yes, I don't think the IAM current leadership will show any leadership and ask for a rejection. I could be wrong about any of this as I don't know the future but one thing I do know is that Political elections are coming up in June.  If I get elected in June, and if  the final company proposal is bad, then you can be 100% sure that as an AGC elect, I would campaign for a rejection and give the membership as much information and encouragement as they need to stick together.  
 
blue collar said:
How about the terms the TWU agreed to with the company for the 4% raise, that they must file within 6 months? Which is more legal and binding? Probably the one in effect...
The application must be filed or the TWU is in breach. obviously, the union leaders arent' talking about this elephant in the room.  Why? Dunno.  Maybe because it is too early yet and they are waiting on the NMB decision on the release.   But, oh yeah, the application has to be in by 6 months.  The union can breach the contract but I'm sure AH will seek damages and fines based on synergies lost.  I really don't mind if the union breaches the MOU contract, I feel the company breaches contracts a lot so turnabout is fair play.  Then again, it really won't matter if the application is filed and supported by the union, if a release is granted because the NMB will not act on the SCS application if a cooling off is ordered.
 
Tim it's not what you say but your propensity to say different things depending on the topic, who you are speaking to and where that audience is. That makes your credibility extremely suspect. How can anyone either respect or trust you if you don't have a clear and consistant message. The most ironic thing is that you're caught over and over in this behavior and you still continue it as if you won't get caught again. You pander to the available audience that you're engaged with. Basically there are too many Tim Nelson's out there to keep track of.

 I've actually seen many things hat you've wrote that I completely agree with at times.I personally have told you and many others that I think you're highly intelligent. But that intellegence is worthless if there's no trust behind it. It's as if you have an extreme need to be relevant and important and you're obsessed with that need? Why Tim?

I saw your campaign against the UAL Fleet contract vote. It was huge in it's undertaking and fervor. I was impressed with how much energy you put into it. But the membership ultimately voted overwhelmingly to pass it. The membership read the TA for all it's merit and felt it was acceptable. We can try to influence Tim but we're not the ultimate decider, as it should be.

I'm sure eventually you guys will have a TA to vote on, but it's not going to matter what's in it. As you said yourself Tim, you always vote NO anyway. And I'm sure once again you'll try to sell that choice adamently. 
 
P. REZ said:
WeAAsles,
 
As a current leader and NC member, if you are talking about the current offer by the Company, there is ZERO chance I will endorse in any fashion.
 
P. Rez
 
 
Tim Nelson said:
Sorry WeAAsles, I went out.  I'm not sure of your point of contention? I said what I said and I believe it is fairly probable.
 
WeAAisles,  this is Saturday night and I haven't the time much this weekend to engage in conversation
But, that's my opinion. It could be wrong but I think it is probable. The context of that full conversation was the issue of a side letter.  I don't believe anything will be worked out for sAA before a TA.  The issue of a sAA possibly coming back before a new hire seems like a win win for the company and for sAA.   
As far as a TA, I still think it will come in the form of a 'final company proposal'. I don't think the final proposal will be worthy for me to vote yes on. Not based on what Prez said.
And Yes, I don't think the IAM current leadership will show any leadership and ask for a rejection. I could be wrong about any of this as I don't know the future but one thing I do know is that Political elections are coming up in June.  If I get elected in June, and if  the final company proposal is bad, then you can be 100% sure that as an AGC elect, I would campaign for a rejection and give the membership as much information and encouragement as they need to stick together.  
Tim,
 
Based on what you have seen me post about the current Company offer and if you ask any employee who has heard my briefings, guess what I'm saying to do. Let me give you a hint.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
REJECT THAT POS.
 
 
P. Rez
 
P. REZ said:
Tim,
 
Based on what you have seen me post about the current Company offer and if you ask any employee who has heard my briefings, guess what I'm saying to do. Let me give you a hint.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
REJECT THAT POS.
Good to hear
 
 
P. Rez
good to hear
 
WeAAsles said:
Ok I just wanted to make sure that you agreed with yourself?  You seem to flip flop worse than Romney in a pancake house?  You're not bi-polar are you Tim? Corporations are not people my friend.

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Basarich? Tell Basarich he's one of the natives now, TWA is dead and the IAM ain't getting him his time back.One of the laziest jagoffs we got from the greatest airline evah...
 
WeAAsles said:
Tim it's not what you say but your propensity to say different things depending on the topic, who you are speaking to and where that audience is. That makes your credibility extremely suspect. How can anyone either respect or trust you if you don't have a clear and consistant message. The most ironic thing is that you're caught over and over in this behavior and you still continue it as if you won't get caught again. You pander to the available audience that you're engaged with. Basically there are too many Tim Nelson's out there to keep track of.

 I've actually seen many things hat you've wrote that I completely agree with at times.I personally have told you and many others that I think you're highly intelligent. But that intellegence is worthless if there's no trust behind it. It's as if you have an extreme need to be relevant and important and you're obsessed with that need? Why Tim?

I saw your campaign against the UAL Fleet contract vote. It was huge in it's undertaking and fervor. I was impressed with how much energy you put into it. But the membership ultimately voted overwhelmingly to pass it. The membership read the TA for all it's merit and felt it was acceptable. We can try to influence Tim but we're not the ultimate decider, as it should be.

I'm sure eventually you guys will have a TA to vote on, but it's not going to matter what's in it. As you said yourself Tim, you always vote NO anyway. And I'm sure once again you'll try to sell that choice adamently. 
The reality is that you are completely wrong. What you have attempted to do is create several Tim Nelson's by quote mining me, using my name and attaching something I didn't say, or you interpret something I have said without getting a clarification from the original author.  For instance, you said that I said "I always vote No anyway".   I never said that.  What I said was that I haven't voted yes yet.  Big difference as I never tell anyone to always vote no, although some say you should always vote no on the first contract. 
 
At any rate, there is only one Tim Nelson and that is represented by the fact that I post under my own name. There isn't any more credibility than that.   I'm the only one that does that. I do that to keep accountability and to have more credit than all others [whether they love me or hate me].  I can do that because I am free and authentic. The real thing.
 
In politics, it's political suicide to do this as folks can use anything, [or twist things that I have said like you do], I have said over the past 12 years on this forum against me.  I'm fine with that.  I love my life and I'm a happy person so if I win an AGC election or lose it, I'm still fine.  An AGC job, if done right, is a huge sacrifice of self and any personal relationships. It is worth it only if one has passion to do it as I do.   If I lose, then I'll continue enjoying my life otherwise and continuing trying to figure out how best to  catch a walleye or trout. Never mind the pleasurable traveling I have been doing by being a ramper that puts in his 8 hours and goes back home.
 
If I win AGC, then there isn't going to be any secrets.  No "Can't tell ya" negotiations. Isn't going to happen with me. The membership will be fully informed.  Grievances will not be waived off with management deals that waive time limits, without member consent.  I want to bring in choices, i.e., pension choices like in the Alaska agreement.  Choice is big with me.  For instance, regarding the retirement, some like the IAMPF while others like the 401k.  Why should a union keep them from choosing which they like?  Especially when the TWU members get grafted into the association.  When the company agrees to contribute a certain amount to retirement, why should I or any AGC decide for a member to automatically stick all of it in a IAMPF?  or 401 like at TWU?   In any joint contract, I will PRESS for choice, i.e., give everyone at least a one time choice of either/or with maybe consider some sorta yearly option if practical.  People's lives change, markets change,  union membership changes,  thus give our members the option.  This isn't the 1900's where choices were not option so we should make the best of it and respect choice.  Who says that our NC should automatically put any enhanced retirement benefits in the IAMPF without considering a 3 prong by putting such enhancements in the current 401k?  Gosh forbid I make any choices for someone over their own retirement, choice is sacred and our members shouldn't have to fret about which retirement option is better.  That question washes away if members have a personal choice over which one they feel is better to suit their present predicament.
 
Well, I'm rambling. Isn't the Daytona 500 today?  Go Danica! Stewart!  and Gordon!
 
Tim Nelson said:
The reality is that you are completely wrong. What you have attempted to do is create several Tim Nelson's by quote mining me, using my name and attaching something I didn't say, or you interpret something I have said without getting a clarification from the original author.  For instance, you said that I said "I always vote No anyway".   I never said that.  What I said was that I haven't voted yes yet.  Big difference as I never tell anyone to always vote no, although some say you should always vote no on the first contract. 
 
At any rate, there is only one Tim Nelson and that is represented by the fact that I post under my own name. There isn't any more credibility than that.   I'm the only one that does that. I do that to keep accountability and to have more credit than all others [whether they love me or hate me].  I can do that because I am free and authentic. The real thing.
 
In politics, it's political suicide to do this as folks can use anything, [or twist things that I have said like you do], I have said over the past 12 years on this forum against me.  I'm fine with that.  I love my life and I'm a happy person so if I win an AGC election or lose it, I'm still fine.  An AGC job, if done right, is a huge sacrifice of self and any personal relationships. It is worth it only if one has passion to do it as I do.   If I lose, then I'll continue enjoying my life otherwise and continuing trying to figure out how best to  catch a walleye or trout. Never mind the pleasurable traveling I have been doing by being a ramper that puts in his 8 hours and goes back home.
 
If I win AGC, then there isn't going to be any secrets.  No "Can't tell ya" negotiations. Isn't going to happen with me. The membership will be fully informed.  Grievances will not be waived off with management deals that waive time limits, without member consent.  I want to bring in choices, i.e., pension choices like in the Alaska agreement.  Choice is big with me.  For instance, regarding the retirement, some like the IAMPF while others like the 401k.  Why should a union keep them from choosing which they like?  Especially when the TWU members get grafted into the association.  When the company agrees to contribute a certain amount to retirement, why should I or any AGC decide for a member to automatically stick all of it in a IAMPF?  or 401 like at TWU?   In any joint contract, I will PRESS for choice, i.e., give everyone at least a one time choice of either/or with maybe consider some sorta yearly option if practical.  People's lives change, markets change,  union membership changes,  thus give our members the option.  This isn't the 1900's where choices were not option so we should make the best of it and respect choice.  Who says that our NC should automatically put any enhanced retirement benefits in the IAMPF without considering a 3 prong by putting such enhancements in the current 401k?  Gosh forbid I make any choices for someone over their own retirement, choice is sacred and our members shouldn't have to fret about which retirement option is better.  That question washes away if members have a personal choice over which one they feel is better to suit their present predicament.
 
Well, I'm rambling. Isn't the Daytona 500 today?  Go Danica! Stewart!  and Gordon!
Ok Tim, You keep selling it. And I'm glad that you only post under ONE name. Wouldn't like to think you've ever conversed with yourself under different names to fabricate a dialogue, lol. That would be a little nuts.
 
WeAAsles said:
Ok Tim, You keep selling it. And I'm glad that you only post under ONE name. Wouldn't like to think you've ever conversed with yourself under different names to fabricate a dialogue, lol. That would be a little nuts.
Who else post under their whole name? You can't even stand behind your own name.  So if you want to talk about credibility, shouldn't credibility start by standing behind your birthname?  That's what I do.
 
Tim you know who I am. I don't think I have to give you a road map to figure that one out, do I? But hey say hello to Josh the Janitor and the Informer for me. Sounds like a cool name for a rock band.

Hi ho, Hi ho, off to work I go.
 
" Secretary Rumsfeld once famously told a soldier, that you go to war with the army you have, which is absolutely true. But I would add that you damn well should move as fast as possible to get the army you need."
 
- Former Secretary of Defense - Robert M. Gates in his book "Duty"
- Robert Gates served as Secretary of Defense from 2006 - 2011 under Presidents Bush and Obama.
 
Education of the membership and solidarity building now!
 
WeAAsles said:
Tim you know who I am. I don't think I have to give you a road map to figure that one out, do I? But hey say hello to Josh the Janitor and the Informer for me. Sounds like a cool name for a rock band.

Hi ho, Hi ho, off to work I go.
TIMMY IN DEEP
DOODOO LOOK
LIK AA/TWU HAS
THEY OWN ROABILY!
 
DAVE
 
BLUTO said:
TIMMY IN DEEP
DOODOO LOOK
LIK AA/TWU HAS
THEY OWN ROABILY!
 
DAVE
this will kill your braincells fast as the seventies
 
BLUTO said:
TIMMY IN DEEP
DOODOO LOOK
LIK AA/TWU HAS
THEY OWN ROABILY!
 
DAVE
Dave,
If you think most on this forum can translate your babbling you are mistaken. I believe most on this forum disregard your posts in this format. Personally... I don't know what the hell you're saying.Until you can post with credibility... your point is being missed Brother. 
 
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