2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

That's why I asked for clarity by saying what has the TWU said regarding the issues you want to see addressed?  I thought it was actually a pretty fair question and I asked it because we are all equally interested in what the TWU has been saying. 
 
BTW what was done in bankruptcy is totally relevant to the association, since the association is going to have to do its best job to clean up the bankruptcy mess.

Outside of the last update on the 141 website in regards to our support for your contract talks I have so far heard no official communication as to if or how this issue is being addressed?

This is an issue that should be seperate from any other items that are ongoing within either Union. We need to put ourselves in the shoes of these affected members and come to terms or at least a communication of some kind if it winds up that it's the company putting up any road blocks towards progress.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Outside of the last update on the 141 website in regards to our support for your contract talks I have so far heard no official communication as to if or how this issue is being addressed?

This is an issue that should be seperate from any other items that are ongoing within either Union. We need to put ourselves in the shoes of these affected members and come to terms or at least a communication of some kind if it winds up that it's the company putting up any road blocks towards progress.

Again,  nobody is disputing this but you should make your opinion known to management.  The last time, management did NOT want to make this separate but instead wanted to attach this issue to a helping hand that cut into overtime and was hard to enforce. My assumption is that the company still refuses to make this issue a separate item even though it is fair to do so.

 

[WeAAsles]

Again,  nobody is disputing this but you should make your opinion known to management.  The last time, management did NOT want to make this separate but instead wanted to attach this issue to a helping hand that cut into overtime and was hard to enforce. My assumption is that the company still refuses to make this issue a separate item even though it is fair to do so.

Tim again you are deflecting from the question that needs to be answered. Not by the company but the Unions that we pay our dues to to represent us. If what you are saying has any merit whatsoever it should be communicated to us so we can see as you say the true nature of the management team we're dealing with and react accordingly.

At the very least an update on progress should be provided. We are fortunate in that we still recieve a paycheck but not everyone is in that same situation. Some for whatever personal reasons could not excersise their seniority to displace within the system. There time is running out or has already run out as unemployment benefits are not infinite.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim again you are deflecting from the question that needs to be answered. Not by the company but the Unions that we pay our dues to to represent us. If what you are saying has any merit whatsoever it should be communicated to us so we can see as you say the true nature of the management team we're dealing with and react accordingly.
At the very least an update on progress should be provided. We are fortunate in that we still recieve a paycheck but not everyone is in that same situation. Some for whatever personal reasons could not excersise their seniority to displace within the system. There time is running out or has already run out as unemployment benefits are not infinite.

i doubt the iam starts stepping on the twu feet. Im sure the twu can produce an update.

 

[WeAAsles]

i doubt the iam starts stepping on the twu feet. Im sure the twu can produce an update.

No Tim. Neither side at the moment seems to want to provide an update on this issue? That leads me to believe that either politics or emotions of some kind are behind it? I would prefer to believe this is an issue with the company rather than my query?

This is not a great way to start any type of partnership if we can't get an answer from either group on such a serious issue.

And again Tim no matter what you've been told or think you know much like myself we are NOT in any official capacity to answer or address this issue.

 

[Tim Nelson]

No Tim. Neither side at the moment seems to want to provide an update on this issue? That leads me to believe that either politics or emotions of some kind are behind it? I would prefer to believe this is an issue with the company rather than my query?
This is not a great way to start any type of partnership if we can't get an answer from either group on such a serious issue.
And again Tim no matter what you've been told or think you know much like myself we are NOT in any official capacity to answer or address this issue.

um, thats why i keep asking you to check with your union. And all of the usairways members are in capacity to tell you what happened last time. History is relevant even if you want to continue rejecting it. What is ridiculous is that you are complaining about the association when all of us have repeatedly told you that management is the problem. Some day you will realize that sUS management may be worst than horton was. At least i dont think anyone at sUS has been impressed.

Stop getting yourself worked up over the association and allow the proper processes to work out.

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim your consistent interjections on my question are both unwelcome and unwanted. What I hear from the grapevine that some people would prefer or ignore exists is what's giving me cause for concern. There is simply no reason that this issue cannot be addressed by either union and the cone of silence from both is not welcome to those people who may be right now robbing from Peter to pay Paul.

Please try to refrain from making further comments unless they are particular to something you are in authority to address. You again are NOT that person.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim your consistent interjections on my question are both unwelcome and unwanted. What I hear from the grapevine that some people would prefer or ignore exists is what's giving me cause for concern. There is simply no reason that this issue cannot be addressed by either union and the cone of silence from both is not welcome to those people who may be right now robbing from Peter to pay Paul.
Please try to refrain from making further comments unless they are particular to something you are in authority to address. You again are NOT that person.

What about the silence from a management team that you seemed thoroughly in love with when you were getting drilled on fb?

 

[robbedagain]

does anyone know if the iam is going to give out buttons or something to wear

 

[WeAAsles]

What about the silence from a management team that you seemed thoroughly in love with when you were getting drilled on fb?

Well I guess that it's obvious now that you simply have no constraint Tim. Those requesting from the membership to be placed in a leadership position should at least have a small measure of that quality.

But to digress from the question I asked once again. You obviously have me confused with someone else if you think I have even the slightest concern or love with ANY management team. They only have one role I care about. Make money so I can demand a share of that as well. Your comment is another typical emotional comment that is based on jealousy rather than the understanding of the situation that made it. Just like your comment on those slave labor workers in NY.

You continue to fail to make an impression Tim. I thought you were smarter than that?

 

[WeAAsles]

And I'm not looking to place blame on anyone especially not either Union. That's simply not what I do. I'm looking for a response from my leaders. Under the association both the IAM and TWU are my leaders.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well I guess that it's obvious now that you simply have no constraint Tim. Those requesting from the membership to be placed in a leadership position should at least have a small measure of that quality.
But to digress from the question I asked once again. You obviously have me confused with someone else if you think I have even the slightest concern or love with ANY management team. They only have one role I care about. Make money so I can demand a share of that as well. Your comment is another typical emotional comment that is based on jealousy rather than the understanding of the situation that made it. Just like your comment on those slave labor workers in NY.
You continue to fail to make an impression Tim. I thought you were smarter than that?

lets get one thing straight, i know who you are and i know some of the battles me and you had about the association. You talk about how intelligent you are and how intelligent i am but if either of us was as smart as you think then we wouldnt be throwing bags. In fact, speaking for myself, im no smarter than the average ramper.
The question i have is if twu does our work if we go on strike. Im not busting on the twu but that legal question has to be answered. Will you honor our picket in mia if our members go on strike? Yes ir no?

 

[WeAAsles]

lets get one thing straight, i know who you are and i know some of the battles me and you had about the association. You talk about how intelligent you are and how intelligent i am but if either of us was as smart as you think then we wouldnt be throwing bags. In fact, speaking for myself, im no smarter than the average ramper.The question i have is if twu does our work if we go on strike. Im not busting on the twu but that legal question has to be answered. Will you honor our picket in mia if our members go on strike? Yes ir no?

Tim you know what is in our contract and what I also stated very plainly further on up the thread. I will follow what my leadership asks of me. Speaking for myself if you have a picket of any kind here in my station I will happily take up a sign with your members when and where I can. Outside of an illegal job action within my CBA. Otherwise again I will comply with the dictate of my union and it's leaders.

And I'm very happy to at last here you admit that you're not too bright. There is hope for you yet.

 

[NYer]

Wrong again liar, and you been shown the truth and the facts over and over and over.
 
All the IAM groups went to arbitration, the APFA pulled the agreement and stapled the former TWAers and the IAM spent over $5 million fighting for their seniority.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 
The decision given by the Arbitrator clearly shows how the language in the TWU contract was the deciding factor over the same language in the IAM contract. Fast forward 13 years and each CBA contains the same language.

 

[NYer]

I think all negotiations have fallen apart.  I was surprised that the sAA TWU didn't try to put some language in that MOU to protect its members prior to joint talks. At any rate, this is the 11th hour so something is going to give soon.

 
Protect from what?