2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[robbedagain]

josh  I do think 700 pointed out before that they do not have that in their cba    

 

[737823]

josh  I do think 700 pointed out before that they do not have that in their cba

700 says a lot...

Josh

 

[700UW]

I have not read their CBA, but every other CBA at US prevents a wholly owned from performing stuck work.
 

700 says a lot...

Josh

And you say a lot of lies and misinformation.

 

[737823]

I have not read their CBA, but every other CBA at US prevents a wholly owned from performing stuck work.
 
And you say a lot of lies and misinformation.

I have not read their CBA, but every other CBA at US prevents a wholly owned from performing stuck work.
 
And you say a lot of lies and misinformation.

Maybe john john knows.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Their CBA doesnt contain the language, just read it.
 
But every other CBA says that a Wholly owned cannot perform Struck work.
 
You mean John John, who wont say if he will honor a picket line by the IAM when he has been asked five times?

 

[737823]

Their CBA doesnt contain the language, just read it.
 
But every other CBA says that a Wholly owned cannot perform Struck work.
 
You mean John John, who wont say if he will honor a picket line by the IAM when he has been asked five times?

The IAM didn't honor AMFA's picket line. And spare me of the "IAM CBAs had language for ancillary duties...". Bottom line is they did not honor the AMFA NWA picket line.

Josh

 

[Solidarity]

Yes Josh in many areas on your response I do agree with you. But your emphasis is to break it down as publicly as you possibly can. And that would be fine if there weren't management and their pocket Politicians ready to pounce as it's happening. They're not going to give you the breathers to make your ambitions a reality.

I did hear that you were a fantastic organizer. On this your leaders still give you credit. But the sad part is your own personal ambitions are more important than working within the current structure to make the changes you seek a gradual reality.

You have stated your disgust and disdain for established unions too many times to keep up with. Are your members now supposed to believe that you've done a complete 360 and seen the light and want to be a team player? I personally hope they don't chose you in all honesty because your history is severly tarnished and if they put you in a position I feel your motivations will absolutely wind up hurting my members as well as yours.
 
A complete 360 actually gets you back to where you started.  Ponder that for a minute.  I like the fact the you bring a fresh perspective. 

 

[cltrat]

you boys play nice or we are going to have send you both to separate corners ...lol

 

[700UW]

The IAM didn't honor AMFA's picket line. And spare me of the "IAM CBAs had language for ancillary duties...". Bottom line is they did not honor the AMFA NWA picket line.

Josh

Who cares, that was nine years ago.
 
And the CWA didnt raid the IAM nor vice a versa.
 
And there were IAM Members at NW who refused to do the ancillary work, go ask Kevin,he was one of them.
 
Neither did ALPA, TWU, IBT, PFAA, and AFA at NW, but the AFA honored at US.

 

[NYer]

But yet the majority of AA employees voted to remain unorganized. If they thought the CWA would deliver they would be approaching the CWA, not the other way around.

Josh

 
The agent votes are handicapped as they usually get what the unionized workers bargain for. Most of the airport agents would have voted the CWA in, they remained out due in large part to the home bound reservation agents. It was a close call last time and it would be a huge upset if they're not unionized once the CWA vote comes around again.

 

[NYer]

Tim is correct about the "Cinderella Date" in our UA contract. The Express portion of our contract ends (along with some of the Tier 2) in 2017 (LOA#6). But we are getting whacked now as we speak. Look at CLE. LOA#5 and 6 are jokes. The insourcing hasn't happened, and no one knows where they can transfer in or bump into.

My hub has been hit twice in the span of 10 months. Over 150 furloughs and over 350 people reduced to PT.

Whatever you guys do, try to keep as much scope as you can. Fight hard for it, because once lost, you will catch hell. Bottom line is don't have any dopey "detonation" dates like that in your upcoming agreement.

 
Tim made this comment, "We have to keep our unions accountable and everyone should realize that sAA only has 17 stations but many of them can get whacked after their cinderella dates expire."
 
There is no cinderella date.

 

[NYer]

The IAM didn't honor AMFA's picket line. And spare me of the "IAM CBAs had language for ancillary duties...". Bottom line is they did not honor the AMFA NWA picket line.

Josh

 
It is against Federal law to honor a strike picket line in the airline industry.

 

[700UW]

No it's not.

Show me the federal law

 

[NYer]

No it's not. Show me the federal law

 
Under the RLA, collective bargaining agreements do not expire; instead they become subject to change as of a specified date and upon "notices of intent" by the parties to change some or all of the elements of the agreement. Until a mutually newly negotiated agreement is accepted by both parties, the provisions of the original agreement remain in full force. This is commonly referred to as "status quo."
 
Status Quo cannot be broken unless allowed to do so by the NMB. Strikes are illegal.....Aside from that, most contracts have no strike, no lock-out language.

 

[robbedagain]

I do not recall strikes being illegal    you may want to recall 1992 when us mech went out on strike  or the aa pilots who struck only to be ordered back to work by a PEB and amfa went out on strike some 9 yrs or so ago  so no its not illegal.   and march 18 and 19th will be a telling sign as to whether or not we and the mechs get 1 step closer to a strike.    but in the CBAs  the other unions can support the striking members  
strikes can only occur after a 30 day cooling off period after the NMB releases the group