2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[NYer]

I do not recall strikes being illegal    you may want to recall 1992 when us mech went out on strike  or the aa pilots who struck only to be ordered back to work by a PEB and amfa went out on strike some 9 yrs or so ago  so no its not illegal.   and march 18 and 19th will be a telling sign as to whether or not we and the mechs get 1 step closer to a strike.    but in the CBAs  the other unions can support the striking members  
strikes can only occur after a 30 day cooling off period after the NMB releases the group

 
No one in the airline industry can strike unless allowed to do so by the NMB, (which also gives the airline the right to lock out and permanently replace all their workers). Being under contract, all other airline workers are required to report to work under their contracts. If a group from an airlines is allowed to strike the other groups of that same airline are still legally bound to report to work and cannot refuse their work.
 
They may not do the work of those who are legally striking, but they cannot sit out of their own work as per their Scope.

 

[700UW]

You have no idea of what you are talking about.
 
The NMB doesn't write laws, the RLA permits strikes, sympathy  strikes and lockouts.
 
The company and union negotiate no strike/no lockout articles in the CBA.
 
If it's against federal law to honor a picket line as you say, then why is there language in the AFA, CWA and all three IAM CBAS at US that permit it?

 

[necigrad]

 
Under the RLA, collective bargaining agreements do not expire; instead they become subject to change as of a specified date and upon "notices of intent" by the parties to change some or all of the elements of the agreement. Until a mutually newly negotiated agreement is accepted by both parties, the provisions of the original agreement remain in full force. This is commonly referred to as "status quo."
 
Status Quo cannot be broken unless allowed to do so by the NMB. Strikes are illegal.....Aside from that, most contracts have no strike, no lock-out language.

You're correct that RLA covered units can't simply strike.  Once released, however, the rules change.  Strikes under the RLA are NOT illegal.  The correct question isn't "Can the other groups strike" but "can the other groups refuse to cross our strike line".  700 has mentioned numerous times that this has apparently been tested in the past and they can, though I have not researched if it's true or not.

 

[737823]

Who cares

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/21218-iam-really-is-a-scab-union/

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/28350-iam-makes-play-for-scab-representation/

And to those of you did not, especially those IAMAW scabs who performed our work while I walked the picket line....

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

You're correct that RLA covered units can't simply strike.

Sure they can. We (labor) just don't because we keep playing by rules we never agreed to in the first place...

 

[700UW]

Necigrad,
 
When we went on strike in 1992, the AFA and its flight attendants honored our picket line.

The company went to court and got an injunction, the court remanded it to arbitration as it was contractual language and the AFA won, so they are permitted to honor a sanctioned picket line at US, I have posted the language several times and here it is again:

 

(C) It is understood and agreed that the Company will not lock out any employees covered hereby, and the Union will not authorize or take part in any strikes, sit downs, slowdowns, or picketing of Company premises during the life of this Agreement until the procedures for settling disputes as provided herein and provided by the Railway Labor Act, as amended, have
21 been exhausted. The Company will not require the employees to cross picket lines of the Company's employees legally established under contractual provisions and the Railway Labor Act on or in front of the premises. The individual or concerted refusal to pass such picket lines shall not constitute grounds for discipline, discharge, lay-off, or be considered a  violation of this Agreement.

(D) The Company shall not perform “Struck Work” of Wholly Owned Carriers. “Struck Work” is Mechanic and Related work traditionally and regularly performed by a Wholly Owned Carrier where and during the period the mechanic and related employees of that Wholly Owned Carrier are engaged in a lawful strike, and where the Company has not previously
33 performed the work in question. There shall be no prohibition against a concerted refusal of employees of the Company to perform “Struck Work”.
Moreover, the Company will not hire employees of Wholly Owned Carriers to perform Mechanic and Related work at the Company during a period when the Company’s Mechanic and Related employees are engaged in a  lawful strike.
 

 

[737823]

Tim made this comment, "We have to keep our unions accountable and everyone should realize that sAA only has 17 stations but many of them can get whacked after their cinderella dates expire."
 
There is no cinderella date.

Based on flight level changes, unlike UA they could get changed regardless. I could be mistaken but I dont think the flight levels have changed much at the 17 mainline stations. AA has always had those markets served well, what I worry more is the IAM through this association will come in and pull the same nonsense they did at UA and you guys will go down to only eight hubs.

Josh

 

[700UW]

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/21218-iam-really-is-a-scab-union/

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/28350-iam-makes-play-for-scab-representation/


Josh

You are off topic, you are posting things that have nothing to do with US Fleet Service, and you had to go back almost nine years, really?
 
This is US, this isnt NW, NW doesnt exist anymore nor is AMFA involved in the US Fleet or Mechanic and Related situation, your are desperate and grasping at straws on something you have NOTHING to do with.

 

[737823]

You are off topic, you are posting things that have nothing to do with US Fleet Service, and you had to go back almost nine years, really?
 
This is US, this isnt NW, NW doesnt exist anymore nor is AMFA involved in the US Fleet or Mechanic and Related situation, your are desperate and grasping at straws on something you have NOTHING to do with.

You asked the question, you brought up john john crossing picket lines.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Hey Genius,
 
You arent John John, and I posted about the CWA which has language in their CBA that permits them to honor a picket line.
 
I posted nothing about AMFA and nothing about NW and their strike.
 
You are off topic and desperate to smear the IAM.
 
This once again is US and the IAM and about a potential strike, which the AFA, the IAM and the CWA can legally honor because of language in the CBAs.

 

[700UW]

Hey Nyer, read and learn:
 

 

[cltrat]

Based on flight level changes, unlike UA they could get changed regardless. I could be mistaken but I dont think the flight levels have changed much at the 17 mainline stations. AA has always had those markets served well, what I worry more is the IAM through this association will come in and pull the same nonsense they did at UA and you guys will go down to only eight hubs.

Josh

that may be tried josh but it's going to be up to us as a group to vote it down.
I have confidence that people like CB or Prez at least won't try to bs us about how good an agreement is. Hopefully I won't be proven wrong on that.

 

[cltrat]

700 and I likely will never head out to for dinner but I feel pretty damn sure he knows his stuff on this strike language.

 

[700UW]

You buying? Lol

I helped run our strike in 92 and I was on the strike committee in 99 and on the NC in 04/05 and on the CO IAM NC for the FAs.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Regarding a possible release, does the Piedmont CBA have sympathy language? Will they scab if mainline fleet walks? What has the NC said?Josh

AH secured language in their contract that says they cant sympathize on company property. The iam141 said they were working with yhe cwa to gain support. The amfa strike was broke when unionized workers from the ibt and iam supposedly did their work. In the end, all unions lost. Hopefully the iam141 can help gain support and then report to the membership.