2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

If you dont believe me go look it up or ask the AFA.

 

[NYer]

Hey Nyer, read and learn:
 

 
Learn what? Everyone knows the process, except US Airways is one step above that arrow...in mediation.

 

[charlie Brown]

While I haven't had the time to check and confirm it yet, I have heard that years ago Pan Am guys worked under a imposed contract for awhile as bad as it was. Then they went out on strike on a very short notice and was very successful. The company had no clue as to when they might walk. I personally if it comes to it, will be pushing for us to take this scenario.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm not saying you're wrong or being inaccurate, just that you've posted that it's true and I haven't checked.  You've provided no sources so it would be foolish for me to say that you have provided proof without me verifying.

700 is correct. Its in the contracts plus you can google the arbitration award.

 

[NYer]

cinderella dates are time bombs that are any expiration date prior to the ammendable date. Your contract has an expiration date one day prior to ammendable date which is common language for a bankruptcy contract. Those dates are also referred to drop dead dates that give the company a window of time to cleanse union jobs. When the twu explained the contract, it lied and said it didnt think the company would take advantage of this clause. To this day, many twu members are deluded into the false security that the twu told them. No, not all your 17 stations are protected beyond ammendability as your local presidents think. Ill stop short of saying they were intellectually dishonest because it could very well be that they really didnt know what they signed. We had negotiators who didnt know what they signed either when they thought our 1113 letters were guaranteed like ghe bankrupt attorney said.

 
It isn't a "clause" or a "cinderella date," it was an attempt to further protect the remaining cities from closure due to the agreed 15 flight threshold used to shutter other stations. It was agreed to have the old 7 flight threshold throughout the remainder of the CBA.
 
Aside from that, the original MOU with US Airways was the template used to protect the remaining cities as well as opening a few other stations that are currently not available to TWU Members. Hopefully, the changes made during the Convention last September hasn't jeopardized that.

 

[Tim Nelson]

While I haven't had the time to check and confirm it yet, I have heard that years ago Pan Am guys worked under a imposed contract for awhile as bad as it was. Then they went out on strike on a very short notice and was very successful. The company had no clue as to when they might walk. I personally if it comes to it, will be pushing for us to take this scenario.

cb
when you are in ord, let me know and ill give you all the paperwork and the tentative agreement papers they achieved. They never went on strike. Genoese who led this innovative strategy gave me and dave lehive our own personal vhs tapes explaining everything. Im sure lehive still has his but if not you are welcome to borrow it.

 

[NYer]

Yes they are, can you not read?
 
We have the language at US and has been arbitrated and won by the AFA at US.
 
And no one said they will walk off, at US they can honor the picket line, thats not striking.
 
Can you not read and comprehend?
 
You have no idea of what you are talking about, read it and learn!
 
 

 
What is your definition of "honoring" the picket line? Not crossing it on their way to work or not going to work at all?

 

[700UW]

They dont have to cross a picket line and go to work, they can not work and not be disciplined.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes they are, can you not read?
 
We have the language at US and has been arbitrated and won by the AFA at US.
 
And no one said they will walk off, at US they can honor the picket line, thats not striking.
 
Can you not read and comprehend?
 
You have no idea of what you are talking about, read it and learn!
 
 

But in all honesty weren't any of these types of actions performed when there were still many other avenues of air transportation available? With the mergers and AA now being the largest airline in the world (yes some of USairs flights are already codesharing so they will affect AA as well) do you really believe the NMB will release?

I just don't see any administration including the Obama administration allowing it and subsequently doing further harm to an already fragile economy. Please explain why you feel they would possibly allow it?

 

[Tim Nelson]

It isn't a "clause" or a "cinderella date," it was an attempt to further protect the remaining cities from closure due to the agreed 15 flight threshold used to shutter other stations. It was agreed to have the old 7 flight threshold throughout the remainder of the CBA.
 
Aside from that, the original MOU with US Airways was the template used to protect the remaining cities as well as opening a few other stations that are currently not available to TWU Members. Hopefully, the changes made during the Convention last September hasn't jeopardized that.

thats the part where you guys got hoodwinked and had your socks stolen without your shoes coming off. Unfortunately, you came up one day short. No willis it isnt the duration of the contract. Read your contract. Ill coach you over the weekend over this "day prior" clause. It isnt exclusive to you guys. Some contracts even ti benefits and other stuff to "one day prior".

Willis u got punked. You just dont know it. Listen to me now, believe me later.

 

[robbedagain]

cb  I like that scenario     walk out when the donkeys least notice that  

 

[700UW]

They really dont have much of a choice, US said they are done negotiating, so we shall see what happens in March after the meetings and negotiations, if they are any.
 
They can grant the release and they can get a PEB and delay it for another 30 days, a strike that is, and after the PEB they would be free to strike.

 

[Tim Nelson]

But in all honesty weren't any of these types of actions performed when there were still many other avenues of air transportation available? With the mergers and AA now being the largest airline in the world (yes some of USairs flights are already codesharing so they will affect AA as well) do you really believe the NMB will release?
I just don't see any administration including the Obama administration allowing it and subsequently doing further harm to an already fragile economy. Please explain why you feel they would possibly allow it?

um didnt the nmb release sAA pilots or stews in '99?
I think sAA was the biggest airline at the time.

Didnt the nmb release a bigger airline in nw during a merger or bankruptcy?

Im not sure any of us understand your post???

 

[P. REZ]

thats the part where you guys got hoodwinked and had your socks stolen without your shoes coming off. Unfortunately, you came up one day short. No willis it isnt the duration of the contract. Read your contract. Ill coach you over the weekend over this "day prior" clause. It isnt exclusive to you guys. Some contracts even ti benefits and other stuff to "one day prior".

Willis u got punked. You just dont know it. Listen to me now, believe me later.

Tim,
 
Why do you have to be so in their face on this issue? We know that if they fall below 15 mainline and we don't have a JCBA that the Company may whack them at the end of their contract but we don't have to be d**ks about it.
 
P. Rez   

 

[NYer]

thats the part where you guys got hoodwinked and had your socks stolen without your shoes coming off. Unfortunately, you came up one day short. No willis it isnt the duration of the contract. Read your contract. Ill coach you over the weekend over this "day prior" clause. It isnt exclusive to you guys. Some contracts even ti benefits and other stuff to "one day prior".

Willis u got punked. You just dont know it. Listen to me now, believe me later.

 
Hoodwinked? It was asked for and received, during a BK, that we suspend the 15 flight threshold used to close the stations lost because of the BK for the period of the CBA which was ratified. If that agreement wasn't made there are several more stations that would been closed since.
 
Obviously, you believe that reading a few lines in a CBA that's foreign to you makes you a TWU CBA expert but suffice to say...That is eminently not the case.