2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[cltrat]

by roabillys own admission, he doesnt care about united.
However, the question he fails to answer is if his boys and our negotiators who are on the eboard were worth their mettle endorsing the united contract.

The lack of education by toabilly and the eboard members about negotiagions is concerning since AH cares about that ua contract. Obviously nobody from usairways iam eboard cared.

That ua contract is going to be what AH uses in joint talks against us and as a member who has engaged in election, i care and realize that the united contract that roabilly doesnt give a crap about is going to make some things harder to overcome.

you're exactly right, the first thing he will 
say you guys said this was a n industry leading contract right? We think this unlimited part time is a great ideal too.
 
As to your question he'll never answer it permission has not been granted.

 

[700UW]

A good movie to watch to learn:
 
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/the_red_tail

 

[737823]

A good movie to watch to learn:
 
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/the_red_tail

and discussion to review:

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/54121-amfa-goes-on-strike/

Josh

 

[roabilly]

by roabillys own admission, he doesnt care about united.
However, the question he fails to answer is if his boys and our negotiators who are on the eboard were worth their mettle endorsing the united contract.

The lack of education by toabilly and the eboard members about negotiagions is concerning since AH cares about that ua contract. Obviously nobody from usairways iam eboard cared.

That ua contract is going to be what AH uses in joint talks against us and as a member who has engaged in election, i care and realize that the united contract that roabilly doesnt give a crap about is going to make some things harder to overcome.

You do realize that US merged with AA not UA don’t you? Now, assuming you know this... you still continue to banter over and over again about how UA’s Transition Agreement is so detrimental to you. All of this takes place in a US forum, not a UA forum...
 
In review, you are in Section 6, NOT Transition talks as was UA... remember what CB and Perez have said over and over... No JCBA until 6 is complete! Wouldn’t the evil, deceptive IAM simply make a backroom deal with the Company to forgo 6, for a JCBA if your political agenda held validity? To follow your logic further, wouldn't the evil IAM have already allowed for scope degradation in a sweetheart deal with the new AA, thus shooting themselves in the foot, by reducing their own revenues from dues paying members?
 
I guess if you really wanted to follow your logic, and include every single IAM represented Airline’s labor history into the current picture, you may as well add the Eastern vs. IAM component to the equation. It’s about as relevant as anything else you throw in here -- Interestingly, in 1989 the IAM, and Eastern were just about EXACTLY where we are today!
 
Here is a link to refresh your memory...
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Lorenzo[/SIZE] vs the IAM

 

[737823]

Roa, why did the IAM go straight into JCBA talks at UA? They wanted the dues for unorganized sCO passenger service. Ramp they were able to administer the newly organized IBT agreement but PCE they wanted the dues.

Josh

 

[700UW]

This is not United, can you stop all ready and post it in the UA forum.
 
And if you want that answer go ask UA's NC and not a US Airways Fleet Service person who wasnt involved.
 
You are just a pot stirrer.
 
And its not about dues, prove it, you make the accusations. 
 
Tim Jr. thats what I am gonna call you from now on.

 

[737823]

This is not United, can you stop all ready and post it in the UA forum.
 
And if you want that answer go ask UA's NC and not a US Airways Fleet Service person who wasnt involved.
 
You are just a pot stirrer.
 
And its not about dues, prove it, you make the accusations. 
 
Tim Jr. thats what I am gonna call you from now on.

The TWU laughed at that TA and they're pretty inept negotiators themselves.

Let's get to the point, the IAM wanted the dues income,period.

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/56150-why-tim-nelson-is-dangerous-to-iam-represented-employees-at-united-airlines/?p=1025824

Josh

 

[700UW]

Once again this is a US Airways Fleet Service thread.
 
Not United, go over there if you want to know about UA.
 
You are doing nothing but spreading hate and discontent.
 
What is your hidden agenda?
 
There is more to you than meets the eye.
 
The US Fleet is building solidarity and you cant stand it can you?
 
Go earn some money to pay the fines since your alleged company is fraudulent.

 

[cltrat]

if you folks don;t think airlines don't compare these contracts and cost then you're simply clueless and there is not hope for you.

 

[roabilly]

if you folks don;t think airlines don't compare these contracts and cost then you're simply clueless and there is not hope for you.

They also compare to non-union and contracted third party vendors, hell... years ago they attempted include fast food workers into the parity formula!
 
You told me some months ago that you would prefer NO Union... is that still your logic?

 

[cltrat]

They also compare to non-union and contracted third party vendors, hell... years ago they attempted include fast food workers into the parity formula!
 
You told me some months ago that you would prefer NO Union... is that still your logic?

what I said was I wondered at if I got my monies  worth

 

[cltrat]

and the UA contract is a direct comparison , is that too hard for you to understand?
it's no problem  when the leadership says jump you say how high. no questions asked or at least not in public.

 

[roabilly]

what I said was I wondered at if I got my monies  worth

You will find out in very short order!
 
Please read the Link I provided for Nelson regarding Eastern vs IAM... the stars are aligned almost identically today, as they were then in regards to MX and Fleet BOTH preparing to strike under the RLA. The only difference is today's dynamics are favored for a better outcome because of obscene profits, and fewer competing peers!

 

[roabilly]

and the UA contract is a direct comparison , is that too hard for you to understand?
it's no problem  when the leadership says jump you say how high. no questions asked or at least not in public.

Funny... you accuse me of seeing Nelson behind every tree, but YOU are convinced that I'm answering to some IAM officer...
 
Seems like you are the one with an obsession for the paranormal...

 

[Tim Nelson]

You do realize that US merged with AA not UA don’t you? Now, assuming you know this... you still continue to banter over and over again about how UA’s Transition Agreement is so detrimental to you. All of this takes place in a US forum, not a UA forum...
 
In review, you are in Section 6, NOT Transition talks as was UA... remember what CB and Perez have said over and over... No JCBA until 6 is complete! Wouldn’t the evil, deceptive IAM simply make a backroom deal with the Company to forgo 6, for a JCBA if your political agenda held validity? To follow your logic further, wouldn't the evil IAM have already allowed for scope degradation in a sweetheart deal with the new AA, thus shooting themselves in the foot, by reducing their own revenues from dues paying members?
 
I guess if you really wanted to follow your logic, and include every single IAM represented Airline’s labor history into the current picture, you may as well add the Eastern vs. IAM component to the equation. It’s about as relevant as anything else you throw in here -- Interestingly, in 1989 the IAM, and Eastern were just about EXACTLY where we are today!
 
Here is a link to refresh your memory...
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Lorenzo[/SIZE] vs the IAM

This isn't about good vs evil Roabilly, it's about US AIRWAYS.  By your logic you are saying that AH doesn't really care about cost structures when he compares American vs United? 
 
I am fully aware of what CB said.  I can't refute what he said at this time other than to say what he says doesn't match up with the official stance of The Alliance Q & A. 
 United NC said the same thing and actually stayed in stand alone talks for a full year after single certificate was issued. What CB says has no juice since it has no authority.  What concerns me is what Delaney said.  Going by opinions of certain NC members on social media isn't the option to focus on, and we learned by past IAM141 members that listening to non official personal feeling or any other subjectiveness shouldn't be what we consider.  Focusing on what the 'official' stance is what I focus on.  The official stance is as follows:
 
". The IAM will continue bargaining with US Airways for its current members at the stand-­‐alone carrier until the National Mediation Board determines US Airways and American Airlines are operating as a single carrier.", Alliance Q & A: Part 1
 
We also know that the the TWU will have to file a single carrier application by July 3 or it will yield to "The Association" filing it for them.  Remember, the Associaiton doesn't have to be certified yet to file this, especially as the TWU will give it the full powers. But either the TWU or the agents of the TWU will in fact file this by July 3.  Once it is filed, the NMB may rule single carrier by late summer.  So sometime, by the IAM's own admission, it will cease stand alone talks if no agreement is reached prior to single carrier.  That's the legal end of it.  Until then, due to elections, it makes good sense for IAM141 eboard members to blow smoke and say that no single carrier application will be filed even though the reality of the situation is that AH secured a contract with the TWU that forces them or its agents to file the single carrier before July 3.
 
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