2014 Fleet Service Discussion
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Tim Nelson
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The two cases are not the same. At Eastern, two groups were released. If a release happens this time, and let's hope it does, it will be either/or. That is a huge difference in dynamics. Nonetheless, carry on with your personal attacks.roabilly said:
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you are welcome. The floor plan is quite impressive indeed!rockit2 said:
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Tim you are not correct.
UA and CO are under an SCS and they are still working under desperate CBAs that were negotiated independently of each other, PMCO are under one CBA and PMUA are under another. That is for Flight Attendants.
And the same is for the IBT at UA, PMCO have one CBA and PMUA have another both negotiated separately and independent of each other after SCS.
UA and CO are under an SCS and they are still working under desperate CBAs that were negotiated independently of each other, PMCO are under one CBA and PMUA are under another. That is for Flight Attendants.
And the same is for the IBT at UA, PMCO have one CBA and PMUA have another both negotiated separately and independent of each other after SCS.
Tim Nelson
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I was referring to Fleet if you are referring to one of my post comparing United to the fleet negotiations.700UW said:
I am referring to your post about the TWU filing SCS and the IAM negotiating a JCBA instead of Section 6, that is not the case, and I have shown cases where SCS was filed and granted and separate Section 6 negotiations have taken place and not a JCBA.
Tim Nelson
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In each case that you cited, joint talks have been agreed to by each union. http://unitednegotiations.com/700UW said:
While in joint talks, a union can decide to go back into section 6 negotiations. I think IAM141 did this after the expedited negotiations were exhausted and failed. The point is that the IAM has explicitly said in its Q & A that it will bargain stand alone until a SCS is ruled on.
So it is inaccurate for CB to explicitly say, or Prez as he said he told Parker, that nobody is being moved into joint talks until a stand alone agreement is ratified. While that may be the opinion of Prez or CB, and everyone is free to their opinion, it simply is inaccurate when compared to the official stance will explicitly puts the duration at 'until'.
Tim Nelson
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Well, I thought that's the entire question, "What might happen?" Isn't that what we are discussing and unless someone is a wizard, we are reduced to making predictions based on what we know of history. Everyone entire would like to know the answer to that question but in doing so it does incredible harm to justice if we neglect to consider history. Although your opinion is certainly just as valid as mine at this point, we can't possibly conclude that this is the same case as Eastern with more than one group wanting a release. We will be lucky to get one release, let alone two. If fact, this is one item that I believe me and 700 agree on as he made these points a few months ago that the NMB will never release two groups. Most labor experts really don't expect one release to be granted although we must further this path, position, and hope for some sorta relief.roabilly said:
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The point I was making is this -- If one were to throw in every plausible scenario from every Airline/Union dispute in case history -- along with what “might” happen to US/AA Fleet in the near future...Tim Nelson said:
They contain about the same relevance as your entire argument regarding UA, which you just confirmed!
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You just dont listen. Keep telling yourself that AH doesnt care about cost structures of bis competition.roabilly said:
carry on
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I guess he cares so much, he has pushed the "dirty deal" making IAM to strike preparation. When you plug your UA/CO component into the equation, it really makes a lot of difference doesn't it?Tim Nelson said:
Face it... you NEED for everyone to focus on your faux UA/CO conspiracy to garner political leverage for your upcoming election don't you? It's really about YOU, and six figures per year!
Carry on...
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im not talking about the type of negotiatiosn. Quite possibly i suppose the iam can file section 6 in joint talks700UW said:
The iam has already said jointly through the q and a that stand alone only until single carrier. I didnt say that, its in the q@a and has nothing to do with me
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