2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[roabilly]

LIK AA/TWU HAS
THEY OWN ROABILY!
 
DAVE
 
Hmmmm.... The way I read it... "They"... whomever "they" are, apparently OWN me! Or, perhaps it's some secret code being transmitted from world headquarters by a high level official....
 
Or, more than likely Josh is Bluto, and Bluto Josh... the implications... ohhh my GOSH!

 

[roabilly]

LIK AA/TWU HAS
 
P.S. The LIK code is for Likiep Island in the Marshal Islands... not sure if AA fly's there...

 

[WeAAsles]

BLUTO was comparing Roabily to WeAAsles implying that Roabily is to the IAM/US and WeAAsles is to TWU/AA. So I'm wondering what the basis of the comparison is.

Josh

What's the matter there Tim, you miss me or something? Trying to draw me out? Are you a little bored?

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey guys it's just a personal opinion but after this concludes I think you should see some movement in your direction?

"Judges rarely demand changes to Justice Department settlements with merging parties, but they do occasionally hold court hearings to quiz the parties before granting final court approval. Judge Kollar-Kotelly hasn’t indicated if she will require such a hearing."

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/03/10/justice-department-defends-amr-us-airways-merger/?mod=yahoo_hs

 

[roabilly]

Hey guys it's just a personal opinion but after this concludes I think you should see some movement in your direction?

"Judges rarely demand changes to Justice Department settlements with merging parties, but they do occasionally hold court hearings to quiz the parties before granting final court approval. Judge Kollar-Kotelly hasn’t indicated if she will require such a hearing."

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/03/10/justice-department-defends-amr-us-airways-merger/?mod=yahoo_hs

This sounds like the last potential legal obstacle in the actual DOJ approval process...
 
As you said, movement on a fair agreement in 6, would likely come sooner, rather than later after this ruling is made. I think your theory has quite a bit of credence, and we will watch closely as to how this plays out...
 
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P.S. Should we tell Josh about the secret underground Alliance Headquarters Facility buried deep beneath of LIK in the Marshal Islands? I’ve only seen the preliminary concept drawings, but it is rumored that hundreds of brainwashed human drones named “Dave” are now living in the completed subterranean paradise!
 
Apparently, these drones all wear t-shirts emblazoned with the vintage, stylized US flag logo crossed over with a red circle-backslash (universal no) symbol, and they toil 24/7 to discredit Tim Nelson, and ALL THREE of his followers with encrypted subliminal messages, inserted randomly into public Airline forums...

 

[WeAAsles]

This sounds like the last potential legal obstacle in the actual DOJ approval process...
 
As you said, movement on a fair agreement in 6, would likely come sooner, rather than later after this ruling is made. I think your theory has quite a bit of credence, and we will watch closely as to how this plays out...
 
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P.S. Should we tell Josh about the secret underground Alliance Headquarters Facility buried deep beneath of LIK in the Marshal Islands? I’ve only seen the preliminary concept drawings, but it is rumored that hundreds of brainwashed human drones named “Dave” are now living in the completed subterranean paradise!
 
Apparently, these drones all wear t-shirts emblazoned with the vintage, stylized US flag logo crossed over with a red circle-backslash (universal no) symbol, and they toil 24/7 to discredit Tim Nelson, and ALL THREE of his followers with encrypted subliminal messages, inserted randomly into public Airline forums...

I just know from my perspective that I wouldn't want to increase any of my costs if I weren't rock solid on what my income was going to be to pay for those costs. The likelihood of any changes to the merger dynamics through the complaint is probably extremely slim but it is not concrete and just might be something I would want to make the NMB understand that I was aware of if it looks like they want to put the process on ice with no release? 

Just food for thought.

 

[rockit2]

Has anyone heard about a law suit filed by the US pilots that could possibly delay the SOC? Just heard about it, could delay the integration of the work groups.

 

[roabilly]

Has anyone heard about a law suit filed by the US pilots that could possibly delay the SOC? Just heard about it, could delay the integration of the work groups.

Just like everything else that's going on... it will more than likely be up to a Federal entity, and a Court System!
 
This current time in Industry history, is an excellent time to be a Lawyer... and a bad time to be a Pilot!
 
Read This!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Has anyone heard about a law suit filed by the US pilots that could possibly delay the SOC? Just heard about it, could delay the integration of the work groups.

soc and faa is indepdndent from scs and nmb.

The pilots had a seniority issue that is now in dispute (again???), but their scs application is also independent from our group.

 

[700UW]

The single operating certificate usually takes about 18 months to get, USAPA cant file a lawsuit against the SOC, as US and AA havent even applied for a single operating certificate.
 
Its not the same as an SCS which is the single carrier status, which is what USAPA filed a lawsuit against the APA which they want to force it to arbitration right away.

 

[necigrad]

Wait up.  USAPA was founded on the grounds that the Nicalau award (binding arbitration) was wrong and they wrote their Constitution so that they could not accept it.  Now they want a Federal arbitrator (binding arbitration) to determine seniority?  I'm really starting to wonder about the intelligence of some of the people in the front office...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Wait up.  USAPA was founded on the grounds that the Nicalau award (binding arbitration) was wrong and they wrote their Constitution so that they could not accept it.  Now they want a Federal arbitrator (binding arbitration) to determine seniority?  I'm really starting to wonder about the intelligence of some of the people in the front office...

They signed an agreement with APA regarding seniority.  Now, APA and USAPA have different interpretations of the agreement they signed. A lot of distrust. Not sure who is to blame but my hunch says that maybe USAPA but I only say that due to their history.  At any rate, arbitration will be where this ends up and that would be favorable to APA.  I could be wrong but I don't think USAPA is wanting arbitration.

 

[700UW]

They are suing to use McCaskill-Bond which makes it go to arbitrationl

 

[737823]

P. Rez and CB:

What is the NC position on SCOPE for smaller stations (ie BOS, MHT, MIA, PVD) for sUS? What about smaller sAA stations? The focus should be to maintain all existing stations and enhance the language.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

They are suing to use McCaskill-Bond which makes it go to arbitrationl

that certainly would. But the original seniority agreement waived that. This could end up nicoliu part two. Really nuts!