2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

People are already voting this down, but this is absolutely true. The UA T/A did us no favors over here at the Widget...

I think due to politics, some just cant admit it.

Hang in their kev, we still have a shot to raise the bar again after joint talks conclude which could serve to give united leverage in their next talks and also serve as a model for non union employees to look positively on.

 

[700UW]

Its not a contract, its an MOU, how many times do you have to be told its not breach of contract, it would be a minor dispute handled through the grievance procedure.
 
You cant breach a CBA, it gets violated, its not contract law, its Labor Law under the RLA.
 
Its time to stop the dramatics, this has all been covered before.

 

[roabilly]

Its not a contract, its an MOU, how many times do you have to be told its not breach of contract, it would be a minor dispute handled through the grievance procedure.
 
You cant breach a CBA, it gets violated, its not contract law, its Labor Law under the RLA.
 
Its time to stop the dramatics, this has all been covered before.

His puzzle HAS to fit his version of the picture... square pieces hammered into round holes!

 

[737823]

Tim what do you think Delaney and the AGCs future is after this?

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Its not a contract, its an MOU, how many times do you have to be told its not breach of contract, it would be a minor dispute handled through the grievance procedure.
 
You cant breach a CBA, it gets violated, its not contract law, its Labor Law under the RLA.
 
Its time to stop the dramatics, this has all been covered before.

you need to stop the lies. You must really think people are morons to believe that mou is not a contract. Company agreed to pay an additional 4.3% pay and in return it got the twu to lock in a single carrier application.
To support your lie, you clain that a mou doesnt contractually obligate. Lmao. Well i guess AH will cancel the 4.3% pay raise as well. Not!

AH will ask for severe damages of millions of dollars of lost synergies from the twu.

Sorry but the twu will go bankrupt plus it isnt going to stick its neck out and lose a legal case and pay millions.
put the kool aid down 700.

To the audience, the twu isnt going to do this. But thats the BS that some are trying to sell to avoid the timetable that is set in motion.

The single carrier will be filed. Make no mistake. And if our nc keeps bull s everyone, the risk is that you may not get a thing before joint talks, just like when they s united. Same damn thing.

Its time to come clean and be straight with members and put down the bong.

 

[700UW]

You truly don't get it.

I have explained minor and major disputes in regards to CBAS under the RLA.

Not filing the SCS is not a major dispute as it doesn't change the status quo under the RLA.

If the airbus outsourcing which was worth over $300 million was a minor dispute show the board your expertise and explain how not filing the SCS is a major dispute when it doesn't change the CBA.

You are the one who is posting lies and misinformation.

 

[Tim Nelson]

His puzzle HAS to fit his version of the picture... square pieces hammered into round holes!

no puzzle. Im just calling out your bull S lies that the twu will intentionally breach their contract. You are a liar roabilly. Me and you know that, in time so will others. Keep lying. Its in their agreement and ah will make sure it is followed or he will break the bank of the twu.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim what do you think Delaney and the AGCs future is after this?
Josh

not good. It wasnt good to begin with as evidenced in february. Everything i said was true. Everything roabillys boys said is now confirmed a lie 7 times over. Unfortunately the price for this one is another 930 members affected.
And wave two and wave 3 is suppose to be completed by october.

 

[700UW]

Its not a breach of contract, jeez, are you that obtuse?

It would be a violation of the CBA, which is a grievance.

Do you even know when the company planned on outsourcing the airbus overhaul, they filed a grievance against the IAM, and that is what they will have to do.

Its quite clear you don't get it as it doesn't fit you political and power agenda and aspirations.

 

[roabilly]

no puzzle. Im just calling out your bull S lies that the twu will intentionally breach their contract. You are a liar roabilly. Me and you know that, in time so will others. Keep lying. Its in their agreement and ah will make sure it is followed or he will break the bank of the twu.

Everyone that disagrees with you is a liar, moron, or drinking Kool-aid...
 
You have regressed into juvenile tantrums just as you have over, and over in the past... that's why you lose elections, you have NO credibility!

 

[Tim Nelson]

You truly don't get it.

I have explained minor and major disputes in regards to CBAS under the RLA.

Not filing the SCS is not a major dispute as it doesn't change the status quo under the RLA.

If the airbus outsourcing which was worth over $300 million was a minor dispute show the board your expertise and explain how not filing the SCS is a major dispute when it doesn't change the CBA.

You are the one who is posting lies and misinformation.

i can assure you that AH will put this in a judge hands. If the judge rules that it is a minor dispute then it will be the same ending.

But the mou was a contract to pay 4.3% in return for the application being filed. So by your reasoning, AH can cancel the 4.3% he already gave on his end and it would b a minor dispute? If so then please tell the audience why AH just wont cancel the 4.3%.

The reality of the situation is that the twu wont break that agreement or it will clearly reap upon itself millions of dollars in damages.

Case closed

 

[T5towbar]

not good. It wasnt good to begin with as evidenced in february. Everything i said was true. Everything roabillys boys said is now confirmed a lie 7 times over. Unfortunately the price for this one is another 930 members affected.
And wave two and wave 3 is suppose to be completed by october.

So the rumor has it that 45 will be gone by year's end? Sounds like ALL of Tier 3, and some of the smaller Tier 2 will be done.

Damn...........

 

[700UW]

So Tim, the all mighty know it all, where did you get your Jurus Doctorate?

The profit sharing was given up for the 4.3 raise, nothing else.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So the rumor has it that 45 will be gone by year's end? Sounds like ALL of Tier 3, and some of the smaller Tier 2 will be done.Damn...........

3 waves. The only protections to keep the work is too outbid swissport.

 

[ograc]

This is the craziest bullcrap social media forum. We have ex stock clerk, a banker. retirees, ramp agents with no seniority, no input from the agc's, lack of leadership. All of this and most of the guy's are out there busting arse for ot performance to make the airline better and all I want is a raise and can't get one. There are better things going on at the local w-house.

Hold your cards ladies and gentlemen we have a winner! rockit2's post hits the nail on the head as to why the members at UA and US under DL 141 find themselves in this quicksand. "All of this and most guys are out there busting arse to make the airline better and all I want is a raise and can't get one". The personal mindset that rockit2 has revealed is unfortunately prevelant with the membership both at UA and US. This membership mindset allows inferior TAs to be ratified by the membership as we are witnessing at UA. A contract that allows almost unlimited outsourcing of union represented jobs and no limitations on part time work. Yet they got their raise in wages. This narrow minded mindset allows leadership to get elected that may or may not have the long term best interests' of the membership in mind. Additionally, when a member is apathetic, disengaged, uninformed and focused on one self centered issue; that member is easily persuaded. You can blame ex stock clerks, bankers, retirees, ramp agents with no seniority, no input from AGCs and lack of leadership all you want; the inescapable truth is the membership ratified the agreement and thus chose their destiny at UA. An educated and engaged membership is less likely to be mislead by both parties; the company and the union. The members at UA, with the endorsement of the union leadership team they elected and the NC, voted for the money and retro pay. Now they will live with the "cost neutral" consequences. Next up US Airways! Have we learned anything yet?