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roa  whats your take on the scs status come say july    we all know tim version    and 700 whats your take on it as well?
 
robbedagain said:
roa  whats your take on the scs status come say july    we all know tim version    and 700 whats your take on it as well?
According to Tim, my take... is it that it means nothing, and I’ve sided with what he calls... “My Boys”...
 
In reality, I tend to agree with 700... SCS can probably be delayed to preserve leverage if need be. Of course, this would send it into a case of legal wrangling just like the one 700 provided links to. In essence, I think it would be deemed a minor dispute, and would play out as the Airbus arbitration did. Of course, that’s just my opinion, and not necessarily what WILL actually happen.
 
Now, for the record... I haven’t pledged my VOTE to anyone... period. I do not hang out with, or communicate with anyone that is an AGC, or on the Negotiating Committee. What I’m attempting to do is separate fact from fiction. Of course, since sometimes that doesn't parallel what Tim says, I’m a liar, moron, and drinking Kool-aid!
 
There have been and will be high level talks between the IAM and TWU about the SCS.
 
It all depends on if US and the IAM are able to reach and ratify new CBAs in Section 6.
 
I believe the Alliance Vote will have to take place before the IAM and TWU do anything about the SCS.
 
I also believe it is a minor dispute and have provided as much information as I can on the matter.
 
Unlike the resident hater.
 
thanks roa and 700   id imagine too that it would depend on the sect 6 talks plus the alliance vote and ive long had the feeling that the iam and the twu both will have if not already begun high level talks on the scs
 
Tim,
 
Regarding the MOU and if there are disputes, there is a resolution process spelled out in bullet point 9. If the TWU was not the representative for any of the 7 groups in the MOU, would the raises go away? IMO, the raises would stay in effect. In your opinion, can anything in the MOU be changed? 
 
P. Rez  
 
700UW said:
The arbitration or the court issues?
 
And still waiting for your explanation Timmy.
 
If the Airbus Outsourcing which was a minor dispute was worth over $300 million and changed the CBA by US violating the contract was not a major dispute, how is the SCS which doesnt change the CBA a major dispute?
Stop it! Stop insulting all of us by telling us that the twu will intentionally breach its agreement. The company isnt going to breach the 4.3% either. Stop the fairy tales. Its in the agreement and its non negotiable.
 
You are truly clueless.
 
The MOU has clearly stated any disputes go to arbitration.
 
Its not a breach, it would be a grievance and goes to arbitration,
 
You are the one who conveniently left that part out, thanks to people who know what is going on that actually provided the proof and facts that it wont go to court and cost the TWU millions and bankrupt them.
 
Stop with the lies and drama, it wont further your power quest, only shows you lied again.
 
Oh and by the way you also left out the part the the Alliance agreement states the SCS will be filed jointly.
 
The membership has not approved the silly alliance for this stupid merger.

Josh
 
P. REZ said:
Tim,
 
Regarding the MOU and if there are disputes, there is a resolution process spelled out in bullet point 9. If the TWU was not the representative for any of the 7 groups in the MOU, would the raises go away? IMO, the raises would stay in effect. In your opinion, can anything in the MOU be changed? 
 
P. Rez
Its not a matter of opinion. The single carrier application is locked in within 6 months of effective date. Either the association or the twu will have to file it or it breaches the agreement. Has nothing to do with opinion.
Any breach of that process will leave AH filing and claiming severe damages.
 
737823 said:
The membership has not approved the silly alliance for this stupid merger.Josh
the single carrier will b filed in july per contract. The nmb will rule on that and that usually only takes a month. The association will file it on behalf of the twu. The nmb ruling will call for an election late this year in which case the association will win.
 
737823 said:
The membership has not approved the silly alliance for this stupid merger.

Josh
The Alliance agreement is in effect between the IAM and the TWU at the International level, the joint representation has to be voted on.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.
 
So you are calling Parker, Horton, the UCC, the Bankruptcy Court, the DOJ, the DOT and your fellow Wall Streeters who think it is a great idea, stupid?
 
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