2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

Its not a matter of opinion. The single carrier application is locked in within 6 months of effective date. Either the association or the twu will have to file it or it breaches the agreement. Has nothing to do with opinion.
Any breach of that process will leave AH filing and claiming severe damages.

Once again your are spewing misinformation.
 
It will go to arbitration, and how does not filing the SCS harm US/AA?
 
That is what has to be proven.
 
Its amazing the power quest you are on and you will say anything to obtain it, even when you are shown to be wrong.

 

[Tim Nelson]

P.Rez,
 
Thanks for the info, I just read it and seem Tim is being dishonest again, paragraph 9 clearly states any disputes go to arbitration.
 
http://twu514.org/files/2013/02/MOU1-25-13.pdf

The twu will b in breach and it will b resolved in 30 days. Whats your point? I thought you said it would take years?
Regardless of your insane fairy tale, the application will be filed as written. What you and prez should be informing members about is the fact that the twu has to file and single carrier is closer than you guys say. Tell the truth because you sound just like the iam eboard putting political spin on their pos contract. Keep trying to convince yourself that the twu is going to breach its contract and that AH is stupid.

 

[roabilly]

 
THIS can't make it any clearer! Number 9 as P Rez indicated!

 

[700UW]

The twu will b in breach and it will b resolved in 30 days. Whats your point? I thought you said it would take years?
Regardless of your insane fairy tale, the application will be filed as written. What you and prez should be informing members about is the fact that the twu has to file and single carrier is closer than you guys say. Tell the truth because you sound just like the iam eboard putting political spin on their pos contract. Keep trying to convince yourself that the twu is going to breach its contract and that AH is stupid.

Arbitration decisions are not rendered in 30 days.
 
The case has to be heard within 30 days, then post hearing briefs are filed, then an executive session of the board meets and then a decisions is rendered, usually takes four to six months for a decision to be released.
 
And once again, what damages happens if the SCS is not filed?
 
And why did you deliberately leave out the information in Paragraph 9?
 
You lied and got caught out there, once again you discredit yourself, good luck on the election, you claim the 141 AGCs are liars and yet you do the same exact behavior you accuse others of doing.

 

[roabilly]

Arbitration decisions are not rendered in 30 days.
 
The case has to be heard within 30 days, then post hearing briefs are filed, then an executive session of the board meets and then a decisions is rendered, usually takes four to six months for a decision to be released.
 
And once again, what damages happens if the SCS is not filed?
 
And why did you deliberately leave out the information in Paragraph 9?
 
You lied and got caught out there, once again you discredit yourself, good luck on the election, you claim the 141 AGCs are liars and yet you do the same exact behavior you accuse others of doing.

That's exactly why I come into this forum and put-up with being called a moron, drunk, lazy, Kool-aid drinker etc.
 
If someone doesn't sort through, and reconcile the false information in all of these cleverly spun assertions, the layperson would take them at face value...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Once again your are spewing misinformation.
 
It will go to arbitration, and how does not filing the SCS harm US/AA?
 
That is what has to be proven.
 
Its amazing the power quest you are on and you will say anything to obtain it, even when you are shown to be wrong.

AH doesnt have to prove damages, he just has to prove that the twu violated the mou, which it would 100% if it balked at its requirements. AH would likely also argue severe damages to the synergies of the merger due to any unnecessary delay caused by the twu breach.

It isnt happening 700. But for the sake of argument, please tell us what would be accomplished with the twu delaying a single carrier for one month?

 

[Tim Nelson]

MOU1-25-13.jpg
 
THIS can't make it any clearer! Number 9 as P Rez indicated!

So, that confirms that 700 was wrong to claim the twu can drag this out indefinately. AH has all his bases covered. It is time that the union build more leverage by exercising two more things that it refused to do. The reality is that the clock is ticking and the more these guys d around not covering their bases, the more risk that fleet will get screwed.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Arbitration decisions are not rendered in 30 days.
 
The case has to be heard within 30 days, then post hearing briefs are filed, then an executive session of the board meets and then a decisions is rendered, usually takes four to six months for a decision to be released.
 
And once again, what damages happens if the SCS is not filed?
 
And why did you deliberately leave out the information in Paragraph 9?
 
You lied and got caught out there, once again you discredit yourself, good luck on the election, you claim the 141 AGCs are liars and yet you do the same exact behavior you accuse others of doing.

You guys are unreal. At least you changed your tune and now admit that the mou requires the twu to file. It would be nice if our agcs did likewise. As far as your fairy tale that the twu will purposely breach the contract and that an arbitrator will just slap the twu hand and that AH wont press for severe financial penalties, i guess i cant stop you from believing such ridiculousness.
And although your fairy tale wont happen because the twu doesnt want to go broke, you could kiss the association goodbye because there are 9,000 twu members who would be pissed off at any such delay. In fact, our own members will also want to know what is the point of any such delay. I fought you bastards at united and im going to bust you over here as well.

 

[700UW]

AH doesnt have to prove damages, he just has to prove that the twu violated the mou, which it would 100% if it balked at its requirements. AH would likely also argue severe damages to the synergies of the merger due to any unnecessary delay caused by the twu breach.

It isnt happening 700. But for the sake of argument, please tell us what would be accomplished with the twu delaying a single carrier for one month?

Yes he has to prove damage, and you want to be an AGC and you dont even know how the process works?
 
When it goes to arbitration, the company will have to prove one, its a violation, two what the remedy is and three how it has damaged the company.
 
You really need to educate yourself, how many arbitration cases have you been in and how many have you presented to know how the process works?
 
I have never stated the TWU will have to file the SCS, I have posted and will repost language that shows otherwise.
 
Read the Alliance Agreement where it states the IAM and TWU will file it jointly:
 
http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2013/TWU/Mechanic%20and%20Related%20Association%20Agreement.pdf

 

[robbedagain]

I do have one quest  and I hope it does not inflame folks but  here goes
 
the way the mou is written  it makes it out that the TWU is the sole union     ive read the mou  but what about the IAM   or do they go in together to file scs?
 
it just seems confusing to me    apologies for any inflicting damages

 

[700UW]

Read the Alliance Agreement.

 

[P. REZ]

Tim is correct when he states that the MOU says TWU must file scs within 6 months of 12/9/13. The MOU was written disregarding the IAM and Parker's own employees. His hope was that the merger would take place and the TWU would file scs asap and catch IAM without the ability to get enough cards signed to force a representation vote. That would then have ended our section 6 talks because the Company promised the TWU that within 30 days Joint talks would start. Parker made this deal knowing that the TWU had a policy of adding seniority to its own employees at the expense of other airline employees, which in this case would have been US. He did this because he would rather keep us under a bankruptcy contract until joint talks are completed. That would save the Company millions at US employees expense both financially and seniority wise.
 
Now, the IAM was brilliant in working with the TWU to get this Alliance formed. Why? Because it took the process out of total control from the Company and has allowed for the IAM (IMO) to attempt to thwart the big screw job the Company was trying to pull on its own employees. In the end, IMO there is no guarantee that this will be full proof but at least the attempt was made to not let the Company screw all of us out of a fair contract in section 6 negotiations. The forming of this Alliance has also allowed for the protection of all of our seniority by not leaving it in the hands of the McCaskill/Bond amendment.
 
Everybody needs to remember that DP tried a big screw you to his own employees and the IAM has stepped up to try and protect all of us. If that isn't motivation for all of you to stand by your NC then I don't know what would be.
 
P. Rez

 

[Hope777]

My Brother, THANKS for spreading the Truth!  I remember being in a meeting with VP's where it was stated about Fleet Service...  "We want you here for a Job, NOT a Career"   

 

[robbedagain]

prez   thanks for that   much much appreciated  

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Parker made this deal knowing that the TWU had a policy of adding seniority to its own employees at the expense of other airline employees
 
 
 

Really? Who at AA had seniority "Added"? I'm still waiting for my "Added" seniority 14 years after the TWA asset acquisition...
 
Unless you're talking about the Kasher arbitration decision, and if that's the case you're wildly off base.