2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[roabilly]

What is the IAM141 Plan B, i.e., should it take another 6 months with no release in sight?  That's the question and that should be the thing that chaps every fleet service person's ass if they knew the moves.  In the meantime, AH is LHAO because he knows the same moves and because the IAM141 doesn't trust the membership, he doesn't have to offer anything and keep calling bluff. 

No-- Actually AH is laughing his ass off, because he has YOU to direct all the blame back onto the Union at the most critical point in F/S contractual history! Further, how would you know if there is plan B? I'm sure the 141 would call you personally, and tell you all the details of their strategy...

 

[roabilly]

The unions secretly like the RLA for several reasons reasons:

1) Decertification is more difficult and often impossible
2) Not subject to RTW laws-collect dues/agency fees regardless
3) Opportunity to justify lack of performance on RLA and prolonged negotiations.

Josh

Nice work Tim... pat yourself on the back now...

 

[700UW]

The unions secretly like the RLA for several reasons reasons:

1) Decertification is more difficult and often impossible
2) Not subject to RTW laws-collect dues/agency fees regardless
3) Opportunity to justify lack of performance on RLA and prolonged negotiations.

Josh

So now you are an expert on the RLA?
 
No the unions dont like it, that is why over the years they have fought to change it.
 
The law was written in 1926 when there were no airlines even around and was amended to add the airlines.
 
The companies drag on negotiations and the current US Section 6 talks prove this.
 
And RTW hinders the workforce and allows free riders, no one should gain the benefits of a CBA and not pay for the cost of negotiating it and enforcing it, that is why under the Supreme Court in two cases stated that workers under the RLA must pay what is germane to the CBA.
 
Let me go into "JP Morgan" and tell them they have to provide me services for free, see how long that would last.

 

[cltrat]

Nice work Tim... pat yourself on the back now...

every time you mention Nelson and Josh as the same person your credibility drops yet another notch.

 

[737823]

So now you are an expert on the RLA?
 
No the unions dont like it, that is why over the years they have fought to change it.
 
The law was written in 1926 when there were no airlines even around and was amended to add the airlines.
 
The companies drag on negotiations and the current US Section 6 talks prove this.
 
And RTW hinders the workforce and allows free riders, no one should gain the benefits of a CBA and not pay for the cost of negotiating it and enforcing it, that is why under the Supreme Court in two cases stated that workers under the RLA must pay what is germane to the CBA.
 
Let me go into "JP Morgan" and tell them they have to provide me services for free, see how long that would last.

Everything I posted about the RLA is true. Like I said there are several convenient clauses that facilitate the business aspect of the union-collecting and maintaining dues flow.

Josh

 

[roabilly]

every time you mention Nelson and Josh as the same person your credibility drops yet another notch.

Sorta like you, Bluto, and Dave?

 

[700UW]

Everything I posted about the RLA is true. Like I said there are several convenient clauses that facilitate the business aspect of the union-collecting and maintaining dues flow.

Josh

Guess you dont know that when the members arent satisfied with their representation they can and have changed their representatives many times.
 
Its not true, you have no idea of what it is like in airline labor relations under the RLA.
 
You dont see the dragged out negotiations under the NLRA.

 

[Tim Nelson]

There is nothing any union can do except work by the book.
 
The talks are controlled by the NMB under the RLA.
 
It seems many of you dont realize the RLA was enacted to stop all the wildcat strikes in the railroad industry, which gave the workers the right to unionize.
 
The main purpose of the RLA is to prevent the interruption of interstate commerce.

There are things left undone that the IAM is refusing to do that makes them look like jack asses. AH is LHAO at them.  Why?  Because he knows the IAM doesn't trust the members due to several years of neglect.  It has to trust the membership though, there really is no option.  But because it doesn't  we are left with no plan B.  What you said is criminal that the union is powerless.  It's not.  The power is in the members but the union has refused to involve the membership on some key items.  Most will say that the NMB will not release the IAM for several years if ever.  I don't necessarily agree with that but, in the meantime, the union needs to have a plan B instead of leading up hype every second month about NMB meetings.  Single carrier is coming.  The TWU will file in July or risk 'great financial pain'.  It will file.  And due to politics, and elections in 141 and 142, the leadership is lying out of their ass about it saying there won't be any single carrier filing until there is a stand alone contract.  You idiots are once again risking the jobs of thousands of members and families because single carrier is real.  You know that the TWU has to file as well but you won't admit it.  And you can get away with it since most members have no idea about the legal proceeedings in mergers.  This is the part that really pisses me off about our leaders, they blow so much smoke up folks asses and will NOT be forthcoming about the inevitable single carrier application.   AH knows this.  I know this,  and you know this.  But our leaders keep calling for a release without addressing the single carrier application which is coming very very soon.  I hope your boys don't F this whole thing up like they did at United when they blabbed their mouths the same way then got $0 because they F up by putting politics ahead of negotiations.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The unions secretly like the RLA for several reasons reasons:

1) Decertification is more difficult and often impossible
2) Not subject to RTW laws-collect dues/agency fees regardless
3) Opportunity to justify lack of performance on RLA and prolonged negotiations.

Josh

The unions agreed to the RLA and its changes back in the 1900's. They even agreed to the voting method back then.  Why?  Closed shop!
The unions love this industry due to very few strikes, the RLA has allowed better wages and benefits than most every other industry under the NLRA.
The RLA almost always, 99% allow for a agreement and avert strikes.
 
The RLA has stood the test of time and it's no secret that the reason why our wages and benefits are better than the 'jobs down the road' is because of the closed shops which make the unions powerful. 
 
The problem is that the current leaders of most unions are more concerned with dues than sustaining and advancing good contracts.  The economy is much better than it's been before, and the industry is not only profitable but at the best economic health it has ever seen since the Wright Brothers took flight.
 
Even after a release, the RLA does NOT allow a company to lock out its employees unless they strike.  Another advantage that some unions have taken advantage of successfully. 

 

[700UW]

Do you sit up at night thinking up these crazy conspiracy ideas you post?
 
Why dont you actually prove what you post or even better try and build solidarity instead of dividing the house.
 
With each of your posts it seems you are AH boy and preaching divide and conquer.
 
You would think after 20 years of your power quest you would learn you do more harm than good, and the company reads these boards, trust me I know, it was told to us by Dave Siegel who had a screen name here, Bruce Ashby, Chris Chiames, Gerry Glass and Al Hemenway all had/have screen names and read the board regularly, Al and I went around and around on here many times and Pitbull and GG have had the same.
 
And there you go again with your lies, what great pain will the TWU suffer at the hands of an arbiter?
 
You sound like Chip Munn now, "pain", give a rest, you really need to seek some help.
 
So the members are "idiots" now?
 
Boy you are sure gathering lots of votes and supports by insulting the members by name calling, who wants someone like that representing them against the company and lawyers, you would be the laughing stock of the IAM if ever elected.
 
And even if a SCS is filed it doesnt start JCBA process, here are some examples, at UA and CO SCS was granted and the IBT for M&R still negotiated two separate Section 6 CBA for PMUA and PMCO and the same happened for the FA sat PMCO and PMUA, SCS granted and two separate Section 6 CBAs negotiated and ratified.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[700UW]

Unions dont make laws nor write them.
 
Go educate yourself on the RLA and its history.
 
The main purpose of the RLA and its even stated is to prevent the stoppage of interstate commerce.
 
Unions werent recognized in the railroads until the RLA became law.
 
That is why the union fought to change the voting process and was successful, just as the airlines were successful in raising the % of card needed to be signed to call for an election.
 
You are really a piece of work.

 

[roabilly]

Do you sit up at night thinking up these crazy conspiracy ideas you post?
 
Why dont you actually prove what you post or even better try and build solidarity instead of dividing the house.
 
With each of your posts it seems you are AH boy and preaching divide and conquer.
 
You would think after 20 years of your power quest you would learn you do more harm than good, and the company reads these boards, trust me I know, it was told to us by Dave Siegel who had a screen name here, Bruce Ashby, Chris Chiames, Gerry Glass and Al Hemenway all had/have screen names and read the board regularly, Al and I went around and around on here many times and Pitbull and GG have had the same.
 
And there you go again with your lies, what great pain will the TWU suffer at the hands of an arbiter?
 
You sound like Chip Munn now, "pain", give a rest, you really need to seek some help.
 
So the members are "idiots" now?
 
Boy you are sure gathering lots of votes and supports by insulting the members by name calling, who wants someone like that representing them against the company and lawyers, you would be the laughing stock of the IAM if ever elected.
 
And even if a SCS is filed it doesnt start JCBA process, here are some examples, at UA and CO SCS was granted and the IBT for M&R still negotiated two separate Section 6 CBA for PMUA and PMCO and the same happened for the FA sat PMCO and PMUA, SCS granted and two separate Section 6 CBAs negotiated and ratified.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

BINGO!

 

[Tim Nelson]

No-- Actually AH is laughing his ass off, because he has YOU to direct all the blame back onto the Union at the most critical point in F/S contractual history! Further, how would you know if there is plan B? I'm sure the 141 would call you personally, and tell you all the details of their strategy...

I know there is no plan B since they have left a few things undone.  And they continue to play politics and may F things up so bad that our group gets $0.  Single carrier is coming and the TWU or its agent WILL FILE in July. You and others who want to continually lie to the members that there won't be any filing until there is a stand alone agreement is shameful. Playing politics killed United and hopefully it won't totally kill our members at US AIRWAYS.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Sorta like you, Bluto, and Dave?

Cltrat is right.  You used to post clear thinking and reasonable things a few years back but your "Get Nelson" campaign has blown up this forum and reduced the page down to your Barbie tantrums.
 
I'm not trying to be a D but you might want to redouble your thinking and focus on Plan B talks.  A good starter conversation will be discussing the TWU's MOU forcing a single carrier application in July.  Or is that too profane for you to talk about since your boys want the entire image on the NMB?  Personally, I think NMB focusing alone is getting boring.  I mean, your boys lie dormant for two months then stir up the masses into thinking some larger than life NMB meeting is going to "Fix AH" and get an immediate release. 
 
The reality of the situation is that there isn't even an impasse let alone a release.  Your boys cried out 'impasse' last June, and then cried out again last month but the NMB has NOT said there is an impasse.  In fact, nobody says there is an impasse other than the IAM web page.
 
It's unfortunate that your boys are playing politics and not preparing for plan B.  There is no plan B.  It's just that simple and AH knows this.  Instead you and your boys lie to folks not educating them about the TWU MOU which will force a single carrier application and wind some things down to a close.  Gosh I hope like hell you guys don't F this up like you did at United and get $0.  Putting politics ahead of the members is NEVER appropriate.

 

[700UW]

You do realize the union is doing everything they can do, and they know exactly what has to be done in each scenario.
 
Since you dont work for the District or the International you arent privy to the inner workings and the planning.
 
Just keep doing what AH tells you, maybe you can take Harbinson's spot when he retires in May.
 
You do more harm than good, keep airing your hate and discontent, you are the best campaign manager for the incumbents.
 
Funny how you ignore the facts and history I have posted.
 
And now your focus is the SCS and no Plan B again.
 
What will be your next change of subject and distraction?
 
Why dont you post facts that there is no Plan B?
 
Oh wait you cant cause you are on the outside looking in and keep dreaming up more distractions and BS to keep the members divided.