2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[roabilly]

Tim Nelson, on 26 Mar 2014 - 2:14 PM, said:
700
I ask for the fourth time, if the twu and the arbitrator both violate the agreed upon time limits, then what is the point of delay? I dont see any point of delaying things a couple months since the single carrier is inevitable. Our negotiations have come to a grind and at some point, the iam has to get real about the reality of pre-joint talks with a single carrier ruling rapidly approaching.

It is happening. Stupid is happening once again here as it happened at united.

The only way out is to come to reality or blame the nmb and use it as a scapegoat. Where have we seen this before?

So Tim...
 
What exactly are you suggesting here? Are you arguing that the IAM should simply lower their expectations in Section Six, throw an agreement out to the Membership for ratification with an endorsement, and then promise the Membership that they will get their “real” agreement in the JCBA after SCS? That’s how I’m interrupting it... can you expound on this?

I'm still awaiting your response Tim, are you telling the Membership that it would be in their best interest to settle for LESS now, in hopes of MORE later?
 
A simple YES or NO please...

 

[WeAAsles]

AA has cut FLL, the LAX and JFK flight are gone, now just DFW and ORD. Not too familiar with USAIR's operations there but I imagine its just CLT, PHL PHX and maybe DCA, its a small station.Josh

You never know what's going to happen in the future in this crazy business of ours?

 

[700UW]

US has a decent operation in FLL, there is maintenance located there also.

 

[WeAAsles]

US has a decent operation in FLL, there is maintenance located there also.

I can't turn a wrench to change the oil in my car but that's still good to know.

 

[737823]

You never know what's going to happen in the future in this crazy business of ours?

With all the construction up there along US-1/Biscayne Blvd/Federal Hwy I would avoid the area. I'm equidistant between the two but my preference (as a passenger) always MIA. Parking is much easier and I know many of the agents, they are nice to me.

Josh

 

[mike33]

I'm going to ask what may very well be a dumb question but how can the Association file for anything when it hasn't been voted on and approved by the membership?

Whether voted on yet or not, the Iam and TWU have come to an agreement on how to service each other's contract while remaining separate organizations. Lawyers for both unions from my understanding, have hashed all this out already and believe that the association is the entity that files. Not the IAM. Not the TWU.

I believe because there are no changes for either memberships CBA they may not have to have a vote before SCS.

 

[cltrat]

Whether voted on yet or not, the Iam and TWU have come to an agreement on how to service each other's contract while remaining separate organizations. Lawyers for both unions from my understanding, have hashed all this out already and believe that the association is the entity that files. Not the IAM. Not the TWU.

I believe because there are no changes for either memberships CBA they may not have to have a vote before SCS.

thank you for addressing this Mike, it just  seems it needs to be approved by the membership.

 

[mike33]

thank you for addressing this Mike, it just  seems it needs to be approved by the membership.

I'm not totally positive of course as one would have to be a fly in the room to put all together. It's very complicated but a lot if lawyers have adressed it already from my understanding

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm not totally positive of course as one would have to be a fly in the room to put all together. It's very complicated but a lot if lawyers have adressed it already from my understanding

That's the part that I've harped on in the past. We can armchair quarterback as much as we want. But I am 100% positive that BOTH Unions are under very good legal advisement to protect their "ass"ets.

Any issues I'm sure will be discussed and maybe even some modifications will be made to smooth out the rough edges but I'm sure in the end we'll all be better off for the association.

We have a little learnin to do about each other but hey every new relationship does right.

 

[roabilly]

Tim Nelson, on 26 Mar 2014 - 2:14 PM, said:
700
I ask for the fourth time, if the twu and the arbitrator both violate the agreed upon time limits, then what is the point of delay? I dont see any point of delaying things a couple months since the single carrier is inevitable. Our negotiations have come to a grind and at some point, the iam has to get real about the reality of pre-joint talks with a single carrier ruling rapidly approaching.

It is happening. Stupid is happening once again here as it happened at united.

The only way out is to come to reality or blame the nmb and use it as a scapegoat. Where have we seen this before?
roabilly, on 26 Mar 2014 - 2:20 PM, said:

So Tim...
 
What exactly are you suggesting here? Are you arguing that the IAM should simply lower their expectations in Section Six, throw an agreement out to the Membership for ratification with an endorsement, and then promise the Membership that they will get their “real” agreement in the JCBA after SCS? That’s how I’m interrupting it... can you expound on this?

I'm still awaiting your response Tim, are you telling the Membership that it would be in their best interest to settle for LESS now, in hopes of MORE later?
 
A simple YES or NO please...

 

[roabilly]

That's the part that I've harped on in the past. We can armchair quarterback as much as we want. But I am 100% positive that BOTH Unions are under very good legal advisement to protect their "ass"ets.

Any issues I'm sure will be discussed and maybe even some modifications will be made to smooth out the rough edges but I'm sure in the end we'll all be better off for the association.

We have a little learnin to do about each other but hey every new relationship does right.

You have to remember that one "armchair quarterback" will get a $100,000.00 per year job for blowing smoke about this if everyone falls for it... that's 100k PAID for with everyone's dues!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim Nelson, on 26 Mar 2014 - 2:14 PM, said:
700I ask for the fourth time, if the twu and the arbitrator both violate the agreed upon time limits, then what is the point of delay? I dont see any point of delaying things a couple months since the single carrier is inevitable. Our negotiations have come to a grind and at some point, the iam has to get real about the reality of pre-joint talks with a single carrier ruling rapidly approaching.It is happening. Stupid is happening once again here as it happened at united.The only way out is to come to reality or blame the nmb and use it as a scapegoat. Where have we seen this before?
roabilly, on 26 Mar 2014 - 2:20 PM, said:

I'm still awaiting your response Tim, are you telling the Membership that it would be in their best interest to settle for LESS now, in hopes of MORE later?
 
A simple YES or NO please...

Mark baskett put out an email that he is going to make AH give us 3 more holidays, full sick time, extra vacation, $2.43 pay raise, more scope for all, more retirement and dtew the final offer line there. Thats good enuf for me as i dont see any reason to accept less if brother baskett is going to get AH to fix it in the midst of a single carrier and being put on ice.

Great! Just let us know when to get our shiny hitches. Cool!

 

[necigrad]

US Unfairways.
Skyrocketing fees.
Stalled merger.
Possible Strike.
Bad for everyone.

 

[roabilly]

Mark baskett put out an email that he is going to make AH give us 3 more holidays, full sick time, extra vacation, $2.43 pay raise, more scope for all, more retirement and dtew the final offer line there. Thats good enuf for me as i dont see any reason to accept less if brother baskett is going to get AH to fix it in the midst of a single carrier and being put on ice.

Great! Just let us know when to get our shiny hitches. Cool!

You still didn't answer the question... are you arguing that we should settle for less now in Section 6, with the hopes of more gains in Transition Talks...
 
YES or NO...

 

[737823]

US Unfairways.
Skyrocketing fees.
Stalled merger.
Possible Strike.
Bad for everyone.

Screw DP

Screw the merger

Lock n load

Josh