2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[jet job]

Fought for? More like the company wanted the ibt to win. But let's get past it nelson is running with individuals that allowed the company to outsource UA airfreight as well as 50 cities and 6 call centers as well as countless CTOs and SATO offices on the s UA property

 

[T5towbar]

Wow I wondered when the Nelson cheerleader would come out. Didn't take long. But with that said Nelson said a few things he is ignorant of or just spinning for his own gain. The scope of the previous ramp contract protected only mainline work. Express was never protected until this contract and will continue to grow in the coming years. The real protection at UA was seniority date of 1994 in the old contract. That has now moved forward to 2006. That means no one that has that date can be furloughed to the street if they want a job. Nelson spouts off about the named cities in the old UA ramp contract. Let's give a little history lesson at this point. The language he refers too was a fence and named the cities that ramp would and could be assigned to with no ramp being assigned to any other city outside of that language. Even our forefathers had the knowledge when it was written that it was not iron clad and added language in the ESOP contract of seniority protection of 1994. Cltrat seems to think the company has the option to make any full timer into part time just because they want to. That is a false belief. Part time at the location is just an option available to an individual that chooses not to go the system.

People can't move or bump right now? Any awards are painfully slow right now.
What about the CLE situation? That was a bombshell that wasn't supposed to happen right now. That has to be settled before anything. Right now they are in limbo. That's a lot of people since CLE is relatively senior (most way above 2006 hire). And why have dates in this contract anyway? A good union is supposed to protect ALL of it's present members who pay dues.

I'm not a Nelson cheerleader on an acolyte. I'm just a member who has to live thru all of this at present. I just want the US/AA members of our mistake. It seems like you are just mad at Tim because Tim called every play that happened. His post's don't lie.

Please do better than us.............

 

[Tim Nelson]

So these stations DID NOT have any protections prior to the signing of the TA. My assumption is that it was again a BK court that striped whatever protection was there prior?

keeping the discussion within our ramp craft, yes all sUa ramp stations had scope insomuch as if one mainline flew into a station, that ramp was iam.

29 ramp stations under scope for even one mainline.
Also about 35% part time cap systemwide and the best medical in the industry.

Unfortunately, now there is unlimited part time, even approved back to back part time, and part time leads.
ready reserve for up to 5 months with no recall, no seniority and are not considered active either. In ord they actually furloughed 135 rampers to part time and since there are no work rules, the company just hired 140 ready reserve for may-september.

Now, only 7 ramp hubs have scope. No other station, including focus stations like bos have no scope at all.

 

[jet job]

He doesn't lie? He made a claim of having a masters level education. What institution?

 

[700UW]

The IAM disagrees, dues are the average wage so low wage new hires pay disproportionately more. It's a regressive structure.

You recognize UA had stronger SCOPE through bankruptcy than this agreement?

Josh

Wrong, there are five ways in the IAM Constitution on now dues are calculated and each local puts it in their bylaws and the members voted on it.
 
Most of the locals due it two times the weighted hourly wage per classification.
 
Why are you lying again?

 

[jet job]

keeping the discussion within our ramp craft, yes all sUa ramp stations had scope insomuch as if one mainline flew into a station, that ramp was iam.
29 ramp stations under scope for even one mainline.
Also about 35% part time cap systemwide and the best medical in the industry.
Unfortunately, now there is unlimited part time, even approved back to back part time, and part time leads.
ready reserve for up to 5 months with no recall, no seniority and are not considered active either. In ord they actually furloughed 135 rampers to part time and since there are no work rules, the company just hired 140 ready reserve for may-september.
Now, only 7 ramp hubs have scope. No other station, including focus stations like bos have no scope at all.

Prior to this agreement contrary to your belief nelson hubs didn't have protection UA could have pulled out at anytime. Temps have been our contract since my hiring. So nelson read up before you spout off

 

[AANOTOK]

Little and his minions as you call them are gone now. Let's see what the new administration can do for us moving forward????

Hey WeAAsles, I will give everyone a chance. Let's see.
 
And yes, [min-yuh

n]
a servile follower or subordinate of a person in power.
Joe Gordon and the boys!

 

[WeAAsles]

People can't move or bump right now? Any awards are painfully slow right now.
What about the CLE situation? That was a bombshell that wasn't supposed to happen right now. That has to be settled before anything. Right now they are in limbo. That's a lot of people since CLE is relatively senior (most way above 2006 hire). And why have dates in this contract anyway? A good union is supposed to protect ALL of it's present members who pay dues.

CLE situation? Was CLE a former CO station?

I'm not a Nelson cheerleader on an acolyte. I'm just a member who has to live thru all of this at present. I just want the US/AA members of our mistake. It seems like you are just mad at Tim because Tim called every play that happened. His post's don't lie.

I'm not a Nelson cheerleader or an acolyte either and he knows this very well but our situation is probably far different then what you guys are going through as both US/AA had and have unions and language that even through BK continues to protect us. The final outcome should be far different then your current situation.



Please do better than us.............

 

[Tim Nelson]

So these stations DID NOT have any protections prior to the signing of the TA. My assumption is that it was again a BK court that striped whatever protection was there prior?

keeping the discussion within our ramp craft, yes all sUa ramp stations had scope insomuch as if one mainline flew into a station, that ramp was iam.

29 ramp stations under scope for even one mainline.
Also about 35% part time cap systemwide and the best medical in the industry.

Unfortunately, now there is unlimited part time, even approved back to back part time, and part time leads.
ready reserve for up to 5 months with no recall, no seniority and are not considered active either. In ord they actually furloughed 135 rampers to part time and since there are no work rules, the company just hired 140 ready reserve for may-september.

Now, only 7 ramp hubs have scope. No other station, including focus stations like bos have any scope at all

 

[jet job]

Protections stripped in bankruptcy. No Nelson only the PCE was stripped of 1999 protection it is now 2006.

 

[T5towbar]

I still want to know why was LOA #5 put into the contract?
No one of the IAM people that I talk to will answer it. But some people bought it. Hook; Line; and Sinker!

Answer this one please.........?

 

[WeAAsles]

Wrong, there are five ways in the IAM Constitution on now dues are calculated and each local puts it in their bylaws and the members voted on it.
 
Most of the locals due it two times the weighted hourly wage per classification.

Ok so you are saying that under this formula it does pay to have people making more in base wages as the dues collected is on an averaging basis? I still don't like the idea that a new hire or PTer pays the same rate as I do though. But the PTer under the TWU structure if he is topped out also pays the same rate as I do as well in all fairness to the conversation.
 
Why are you lying again?

 

[jet job]

keeping the discussion within our ramp craft, yes all sUa ramp stations had scope insomuch as if one mainline flew into a station, that ramp was iam.
29 ramp stations under scope for even one mainline.
Also about 35% part time cap systemwide and the best medical in the industry.
Unfortunately, now there is unlimited part time, even approved back to back part time, and part time leads.
ready reserve for up to 5 months with no recall, no seniority and are not considered active either. In ord they actually furloughed 135 rampers to part time and since there are no work rules, the company just hired 140 ready reserve for may-september.
Now, only 7 ramp hubs have scope. No other station, including focus stations like bos have no scope at all.

Once again I can see that your using your master level...

 

[700UW]

I dont agree with the part timers or the lower end paying the same, we use to have special dispensation for the part time or lower end of the scale.
 
At one point in CLT everyone under the M&R paid the same, Mechanics, Stores and Utility, we finally got it changed when the ramp came on and changed the bylaws to get it done per classification.
 
When I left we still had special dispensation, my understanding it is no longer in effect.
 
Everyone in the same classification pays the same rate, there arent different rates within the classification.

 

[WeAAsles]

I dont agree with the part timers or the lower end paying the same, we use to have special dispensation for the part time or lower end of the scale.

Better that way.
 
At one point in CLT everyone under the M&R paid the same, Mechanics, Stores and Utility, we finally got it changed when the ramp came on and changed the bylaws to get it done per classification.
 
When I left we still had special dispensation, my understanding it is no longer in effect.
 
Everyone in the same classification pays the same rate, there arent different rates within the classification.

I think anyone could understand why that can cause problems for negotiating if every "head" will pay the same dues rate.