2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[rockit2]

People can't move or bump right now? Any awards are painfully slow right now.
What about the CLE situation? That was a bombshell that wasn't supposed to happen right now. That has to be settled before anything. Right now they are in limbo. That's a lot of people since CLE is relatively senior (most way above 2006 hire). And why have dates in this contract anyway? A good union is supposed to protect ALL of it's present members who pay dues.

I'm not a Nelson cheerleader on an acolyte. I'm just a member who has to live thru all of this at present. I just want the US/AA members of our mistake. It seems like you are just mad at Tim because Tim called every play that happened. His post's don't lie.

Please do better than us.............

Yea, when u live it, you know. Jet Job must be on the e-board.

 

[rockit2]

He doesn't lie? He made a claim of having a masters level education. What institution?

You should visit some of the stations affected. BTW, you should walk to the employee lot and get an education there.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Protections stripped in bankruptcy. No Nelson only the PCE was stripped of 1999 protection it is now 2006.

Huh? So now u r saying that all 29 ramp stations didnt have mainline scope if even one mainline a day?

The only thing stripped is you guys stripping your rampers of scope, part time protections and low medical cost. What is the running total of furloughs and lost job notices over the first 3 months of your industry bottom contract that you negotiated when your company announced record profits?

 

[jet job]

Nelson they had a right to only work that one mainline that's it. With the results of the pilot contract allowing for the larger RJ how long would that mainline remained. But Nelson you still have not answered the question .... What institution did you earn your master level of ........?

 

[WeAAsles]

It will get even worse when the ~16 or so stations with Cinderella dates come up for contracting out.

Josh

"Cinderella dates"

Who else do we know who uses this terminology frequently? Along with the word "Polyanna" and "Chaps My Arse"

I just had to go there, lol.

 

[WeAAsles]

Nelson they had a right to only work that one mainline that's it. With the results of the pilot contract allowing for the larger RJ how long would that mainline remained.

So basically this could wind up being a zero sum decision anyway? How many stations will the new Pilot contract ultimately affect among those that are looking to outsource ground handling?

 

[jet job]

Nelson can't build anything, he can only criticize, that is his mo. Whatever his logic is for the day doesn't carry over at UA. He doesn't support unionism or anything about the labor movement. His only interest is himself and say or write anything to advance his candidacy in the upcoming election. If his past is any indication he won't make it past the 2nd week in June.

 

[jet job]

Nelson they had a right to only work that one mainline that's it. With the results of the pilot contract allowing for the larger RJ how long would that mainline remained.So basically this could wind up being a zero sum decision anyway? How many stations will the new Pilot contract ultimately affect among those that are looking to outsource ground handling?

That portion of the pilots agreement could have affected every station until express work was included in the new agreement. For the first time express work is recognized under our agreement.

 

[cltrat]

notice how the lying pos doesn't answer you T5?

 

[WeAAsles]

For those who have an interest who are not UAL members even though this is not a UAL board.

LOA #5
 
Dear Mr. Delaney:
This summarizes our discussion regarding United’s commitments to protect full-time employees in their status from downgrade due to specific work rules contained in the September 26, 2013 tentative agreements for Fleet Service and Storekeeper employees. United has agreed that no full - time employee active in the Fleet Service and Storekeeper workgroups as of the date of execution of these agreements will be involuntarily reduced as a direct result of the Company’s ability to schedule shift start times in accordance with Article 4.A.7.a, or to employ part- time Lead Ramp Servicemen and part - time Storekeepers/Lead Storekeepers. United further agrees that scheduling of shifts in accordance with Article 4.A.7.a, or the employment of part- time Lead Ramp Servicemen and Storekeepers/Lead Storekeepers, will not be used to avoid the recall of employees with rights to full-time Ramp Servicemen, Lead Ramp Servicemen and Storekeeper/Lead Storekeeper positions at locations where individuals currently have such recall rights. In addition, United and the IAM agree to meet and discuss upon request, opportunities to preserve full time positions, lead positions, and day - off patterns that include weekends that may become open due to reasons other than those stated above, over the term of the Fleet Service and Storekeeper collective bargaining agreements. Any significant unresolved dispute that remains may be escalated for discussion to the President and Directing General Chairperson and the Vice President, Labor Relations.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sorry about the spaces. Editing the page did not allow me to fix that.

 

[Tim Nelson]

"Cinderella dates"
Who else do we know who uses this terminology frequently? Along with the word "Polyanna" and "Chaps My Arse"
I just had to go there, lol.

and dont forget Intellectual Dishonesty.

Although i must admit that only cinderella dates was original with me.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nelson they had a right to only work that one mainline that's it. With the results of the pilot contract allowing for the larger RJ how long would that mainline remained. But Nelson you still have not answered the question .... What institution did you earn your master level of ........?

"Thats it?"
Well i guess it is because you took that right away.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yaaaawnnnnn

The membership will decide in june. I feel pretty good about things.Lots of hard work but who truly knows. We will find out soon. Hopefully we will find out about a release much sooner.

 

[WeAAsles]

"Thats it?"
Well i guess it is because you took that right away.

Tim the one area I really think you have a passion for sometimes is the closing or outsourcing of small stations. I think you originally probably came from one that closed and that's what continues to cause you anger and hard feelings to this day?

The airline companies do not want to subsidize those who wish to remain working in small stations if they are not generating revenue from the routes. That's the reality in front of us today. They don't want the revenue generated from hubs to have to subsidize the feed either. They ALL "tore" away the ability for us to continue to staff them with our Brothers and Sisters through the BK process. To allude that this is any Unions fault is being intellectually dishonest as you say.

The majority of the members and those represented now are in hubs. It is those hub members who decide the direction and the ultimate decision through their votes. We have been herded into hubs for over 20 years now. Why?

"Hubs existed before deregulation, but the removal of restrictions on market entry and exit, along with policies permitting airline mergers, freed surviving carriers to consolidate hub-and-spoke networks feeding traffic to and from strategically located hubs. Prior to deregulation movements (end of 1970s-early 1980s), many airline services were taking place on a point-to-point basis. On the above figure, two airline companies are servicing a network of major cities. A fair amount of direct connections exists, but mainly at the expense of the frequency of services and high costs (if not subsidized). Also, many cities are serviced, although differently, by the two airlines and connections are likely to be inconvenient."

http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch3en/conc3en/hubspokederegulation.html