2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Writing of goose eggs, Nelson what is your record? 0 zero a record of nothing but losing and quitting. I know your record and so does everyone in the ready rooms across the system.
You still didn't answer what institution issued you a masters level, perhaps you could cut and paste it here for all of to see. Another Nelson lie me thinks.

jet job, im quite proud actually of what i have been able to accomplish for our members. As far as your personal attacks, sorry im not going to step into a witness stand and get unnecessarily accused by someone desperate to keep his agc job.

Jet job, please explain to us why you decided to talk big but then pull the plug on pre-joint negotuations and get $0?

Moving forward, since your contract only protected work for 7 stations eith scope, management just announced the closure of 15 stations subject to you negotiating against vendors. One of those stations is clt, how low on wages are you going to go to keep those jobs?

Btw, you guys are the only union misleaders who have to negotiate more after signing a contract than you did prior to signing a pos contract.

 

[cltrat]

Hey,where's "Ratify Now" and the rest of the band?

Speaking of "Fresh Wounds",how many stations have been outsourced and how many FT'ers have been broken to PT since this "Fresh Wound" was inflicted?

good questions perhaps the communicator will be will to answer that for us?

 

[mike33]

Hey,where's "Ratify Now" and the rest of the band?
Speaking of "Fresh Wounds",how many stations have been outsourced and how many FT'ers have been broken to PT since this "Fresh Wound" was inflicted?

I think a handle like " Jerk Job " would have been more apprapoe

 

[ograc]

Fresh wound.
$ 27.00 an hr 100% sick pay etc cut me a little more

Good money. Good sick pay. Of course it doesn't mean much when my job gets outsourced or I'm busted down to part time. Unlimited part time not good. No scope protection for the majority of stations not good. That retro check is going to disappear quickly for many.  

 

[rockit2]

jet job, im quite proud actually of what i have been able to accomplish for our members. As far as your personal attacks, sorry im not going to step into a witness stand and get unnecessarily accused by someone desperate to keep his agc job.

Jet job, please explain to us why you decided to talk big but then pull the plug on pre-joint negotuations and get $0?

Moving forward, since your contract only protected work for 7 stations eith scope, management just announced the closure of 15 stations subject to you negotiating against vendors. One of those stations is clt, how low on wages are you going to go to keep those jobs?

Btw, you guys are the only union misleaders who have to negotiate more after signing a contract than you did prior to signing a pos contract.

If you guy's would look past the attempts to discredit Nelson and look at the look at the real deal on the UA contract, it was a let down to the membership. Nelson, may not win the election but at least he is trying to inform the US members, and if the week leadership we have tries to ram a contract down our throats to at least revolt and vote it down as many times as we have too. I'm ready to strike this company, I'm tired of the disrespect they have for this work group.

 

[WeAAsles]

Guys I would like it if someone in the know could explain the UAL contract for me. Particularly.

Were any of these stations "possibly" being contracted out protected prior to the signing of the contract and did the company already have the ability to outsource them?

If they are and were not protected, how did they get that way? What mechanism made that happen?

How many FSC members are in these stations?

What is the Full Time/Part time ratio within the contract and precisely how many could that effect if there is a huge influx of members into the remaining cities?

Is there a buyout being offered to perhaps mitigate some of these moves?  In our BK the company offered a buyout and about 1400 TWU members took it which mitigated the amount of involuntary layoffs.
 

 

[737823]

http://www.iam141.org/docs/071913.pdf

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Good money. Good sick pay. Of course it doesn't mean much when my job gets outsourced or I'm busted down to part time. Unlimited part time not good. No scope protection for the majority of stations not good. That retro check is going to disappear quickly for many.  

This is exactly what I was telling our members when they were touting up the UAL contract. They were not comparing what was currently in "our" contract still to what was being offered in this one.

Our Part Timers also do not pay more for medical than a Full Timer and they receive the same 5.5% 401K match as well. What I like about this is it doesn't dangle a carrot on a stick for the company to just add more PTers to the mix for cost savings against a FTer. PTers are only added for operational needs solely if a station has a staggered schedule.

 

[mike33]

There was a buyout of 75k max. The problem was that it was structured so you had to reach a certain sign up level before you would get that. Plus there was a bottom cap that if you signed up for the 75k and the cap wasn't reached you didn't fall to the lower category automatically or weren't offered it. This way the company could hope you just retire if the cap wasn't met
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it sounded good but wasn't efficient. I don't think anyone got the 75k

 

[WeAAsles]

http://www.iam141.org/docs/071913.pdf

Josh

So these stations DID NOT have any protections prior to the signing of the TA. My assumption is that it was again a BK court that striped whatever protection was there prior?

 

[737823]

So these stations DID NOT have any protections prior to the signing of the TA. My assumption is that it was again a BK court that striped whatever protection was there prior?

This was before the ratification of TA II, there was some clause in the agreement that allowed outsourcing. Tim is more familiar with the UA agreement, hopefully he can weigh in.

The bankruptcy scope at UA required UAL IAM personnel with even a single daily year round flight. Seasonal service could be contracted. The IAM closed MIA, MHT, as they went to express service.

And here is the latest with UA: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6041217/

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

There was a buyout of 75k max. The problem was that it was structured so you had to reach a certain sign up level before you would get that. Plus there was a bottom cap that if you signed up for the 75k and the cap wasn't reached you didn't fall to the lower category automatically or weren't offered it. This way the company could hope you just retire if the cap wasn't met
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it sounded good but wasn't efficient. I don't think anyone got the 75k

Our guys (FSC) were offered a total of 33K to leave the company. To participate you had to have a minimum of 10 years in the company and be at least 45 years of age.

 

[Tim Nelson]

http://www.iam141.org/docs/071913.pdf
Josh

early outs dont bring back the work. Just reduces the pools and the number of fish under the ua contract.

 

[mike33]

Do you see my point though? A carrot comes in all forms and types. The company knew they weren't going to get the amount of participants to sign up ! It protected that by not being able to bump down to the next lower level. It was a visual carrot to get some yes votes.

 

[737823]

It will get even worse when the ~16 or so stations with Cinderella dates come up for contracting out.

Josh