2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

The NMB doesnt have to recognize the Association as the agreement states it has to be voted on then it will be recognized.
 
But the agreement itself is a legal and binding document between the IAM and the TWU.
 
Too hard to understand that?
 
Did you miss that day in Law School?
 
Just because the association hasnt been voted on yet, doesnt mean the document isnt legal and binding.
 
Did the TWU members vote on the MOU?
 
Nope they didnt, but you claim its legal and binding.
 
You cant have it both ways, but you try as you have to make it fit your agenda, or shall I say your over 20 year quest for power.

 

[P. REZ]

does the nmb recognize it? Yes or no?

To the audience..this is very important because the nmb does not recognize the association nor has it certified it. And there is deceit going on as prez refuses to answer

Tim,
 
I have given you credit for being intelligent in the past, stop for a second and think about what I'm saying. 
 
P. Rez

 

[robbedagain]

prez  or cb   are you folks going to go to all of our mainline cities to update all of fsa on the status?  

 

[Rook]

To P.Rez and Cb
To your knowledge is the IAM is or have been in constant contact with the NMB about future talks or a release date?
A simple yes or no will be sufficient since most of us on here know your not at liberty to discuss things
Thanks

 

[WeAAsles]

The NMB doesnt have to recognize the Association as the agreement states it has to be voted on then it will be recognized.
 
But the agreement itself is a legal and binding document between the IAM and the TWU.
 
Too hard to understand that?
 
Did you miss that day in Law School?
 
Just because the association hasnt been voted on yet, doesnt mean the document isnt legal and binding.
 
Did the TWU members vote on the MOU?
 
Nope they didnt, but you claim its legal and binding.
 
You cant have it both ways, but you try as you have to make it fit your agenda, or shall I say your over 20 year quest for power.

Correct.

 

[Tim Nelson]

2 questions for you Tim.
1. Do you think that the lawyers may know about what's going on than you or I or Rez?
2. Are you or I or Rez smarter than them ?
Pretty simple no ?

mike
I dont believe that is the case. No lawyer will currently say that the association is legally recognized or legally certified as a bargaining agent for one single person as prez has improperly informed. I think since prez is actually our legal representative and said he may take us out on strike, that he should produce any nmb correspondence confirming him saying that the association has been recognized by the NMB.
As a matter of inquiry, thats fair enuf, wont you agree?

Prez...has the nmb legally recognized the association, yes or no?

To the audience, when i was director of organizing, getting an organization certified and legally recognized was my job so i can tell you that the association or any other newly created entity has to be voted upon and approved by the membership to be certified.

 

[700UW]

Are you that dense?
 
I mean really?
 
It is a legal and binding agreement between the IAM and the TWU.
 
It is quite clear in the steps that have to be taken in order for the vote to occur and the NMB certify it as the bargaining agent.
 
But once again you try to deflect and change the topic at hand.
 
Did the TWU members vote on the MOU?
 
No, they didnt, yet it is legal and binding upon the TWU and the members.
 
You cant have it both ways.
 
You are definitely Al's boy.
 
But you will never admit you are wrong, as it doesnt fit your obsession with power that you have never achieved in over 20 years, its all about you Tim and not the members, that is what is wrong with how you think and operate.

 

[mike33]

mike
I dont believe that is the case. No lawyer will currently say that the association is legally recognized or legally certified as a bargaining agent for one single person as prez has improperly informed. I think since prez is actually our legal representative and said he may take us out on strike, that he should produce any nmb correspondence confirming him saying that the association has been recognized by the NMB.
As a matter of inquiry, thats fair enuf, wont you agree?
Prez...has the nmb legally recognized the association, yes or no?
To the audience, when i was director of organizing, getting an organization certified and legally recognized was my job so i can tell you that the association or any other newly created entity has to be voted upon and approved by the membership to be certified.

Is the association bargaining ?

 

[Tim Nelson]

The NMB doesnt have to recognize the Association as the agreement states it has to be voted on then it will be recognized.
 
But the agreement itself is a legal and binding document between the IAM and the TWU.
 
Too hard to understand that?
 
Did you miss that day in Law School?
 
Just because the association hasnt been voted on yet, doesnt mean the document isnt legal and binding.
 
Did the TWU members vote on the MOU?
 
Nope they didnt, but you claim its legal and binding.
 
You cant have it both ways, but you try as you have to make it fit your agenda, or shall I say your over 20 year quest for power.

the mou is a legal document that became part of the contractual terms of the twu contract. The twu didnt have to have a vote on it since it already is the certified bargaining agent.

The association isnt the collective bargaining agent for anyone and would have to have a representation vote conducted by the nmb to confirm it as the collective bargaining agent. Until then it has no authority to bargain for anyone.

The association agreement is strictly between the twu and iam as to how they want to jointly represent after a election. It has nothing to do with anything now as evidenced that it has not sought an nmb election nor has it sought to get involved in negotiations until an election.

Its a legal document insomuch as it is an agreement between two private parties. But imo i think the twu can still walk away from it if it wants. Ill have to look at that part of the agreement again.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Is the association bargaining ?

absolutely not. It has no authority from the members to do so either.

 

[700UW]

The association isnt representing anyone nor negotiating for either group of employees at US or AA.
 
The associations IS NOT BARGAINING FOR ANYONE!
 
Keep trying to obfuscate the issues since you are shown to be wrong, so what is the next tangent you will go off on?
 
The agreement is legal and binding between the IAM and the TWU, its quite clear and detailed and I have had it explained to me by the person who wrote it, have you?
 
And to your dismay Lombordo came out in support of the Association.

 

[mike33]

absolutely not. It has no authority from the members to do so either.

So if there is no bargaining and no changes to any CBA why can't the docs stand in a court of law as legal without NMB involvement till representation?

 

[NYer]

Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?
A: Yes. Following the completion of the American- US Airways' merger, the Associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.
 
Q: When will the Association begin bargaining a combined/joint contract?
A. After the airlines' merger is completed and the membership approves a TWU/IAM joint representation alliance.
 
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TWU and lAM JOINT AGREEMENT FOR THE FORMATION OF THE AIRLINE MECHANIC AND RELATED EMPLOYEE ASSOCIATION- TWU/IAM
 
7. In accordance with the Railway Labor Act, each existing collective bargaining agreement of the Individual Labor Partners {reached with American Airlines or US Airways) and/or the applicable "status quo" conditions will remain In effect. The Association as Employee representative will endeavor to negotiate a single,combined Collective Bargaining Agreement wlth the goal of Improving the rates of pay, benefits and other terms and conditions of the Employee members of the Mechanic and Related Craft or Class at the Carrier.
 
So, here's the question. The Association agreement states," each existing collective bargaining agreement of the individual Labor partners...will remain in effect."
 
The MOU between the TWU and US Airways states the submission of the Single Carrier Status (SCS) will be submitted within 6 months of the effective date of the Merger. (comes out to June 9th, which is a Sunday so it could be June 10th)
 
Doesn't the Association agreement clearly state the MOU is in effect and if so doesn't that mean the TWU is obligated to file for the SCS regardless of the Association agreement, the NMB's recognition of such or a vote by the Members?

 

[NYer]

the mou is a legal document that became part of the contractual terms of the twu contract. The twu didnt have to have a vote on it since it already is the certified bargaining agent.

The association isnt the collective bargaining agent for anyone and would have to have a representation vote conducted by the nmb to confirm it as the collective bargaining agent. Until then it has no authority to bargain for anyone.

The association agreement is strictly between the twu and iam as to how they want to jointly represent after a election. It has nothing to do with anything now as evidenced that it has not sought an nmb election nor has it sought to get involved in negotiations until an election.

Its a legal document insomuch as it is an agreement between two private parties. But imo i think the twu can still walk away from it if it wants. Ill have to look at that part of the agreement again.

 
The TWU can't move away from it unless both parties agree. On the other hand, because of the MOU I don't see how a submission of the Single Carrier Status can be avoided unless the Association files before the TWU is obligated to file on their own.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The association isnt representing anyone nor negotiating for either group of employees at US or AA.
 
The associations IS NOT BARGAINING FOR ANYONE!
 
Keep trying to obfuscate the issues since you are shown to be wrong, so what is the next tangent you will go off on?
 
The agreement is legal and binding between the IAM and the TWU, its quite clear and detailed and I have had it explained to me by the person who wrote it, have you?
 
And to your dismay Lombordo came out in support of the Association.

i support the association 100% and think it is very beneficial to sUs and i also pointed out that lombardos unyielding support for the association is great for all sUs members. No argument from me, brother.