2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[roabilly]

ROA,
Interesting points of view. Duly noted. Talk about hidden agendas. I'm begining to wonder if there is, indeed, a shared agenda with the said parties. If what you are insinuating is true; then the game is over for both said parties. The covert interjection of AH's ageda on this forum has been exposed. I ask the engaged on this forum; does ROA's insinuations have merit?  

These are not just my observations... there are now over four posters here that have reached the same conclusion... INDEPENDENTLY!

 

[mike33]

'33'
 
Don't take it personal, this is Nelson's MO... he has a mission, and it's not personal...
Why do you think he is on here north of 15 hrs per day... EVERY day? 
 
Mr. Nelson has been slandering the Union Leaders since the 90’s! It has been non-stop, and has evolved with the times.
 
For instance-- in the 90’s before social media became commonplace, he distributed word processed newspapers that were entitled “The Big Picture” through-out the system from the CLT hub. The cargo bins of active flights were loaded with these documents as they flew to various destinations for distribution.
 
This publication had a main theme of attacking the Leadership of the IAM, and proclaimed them as being “corrupt, inept, and in bed with the company”. Interestingly, they were distributed on Company Property in a strict environment that allowed virtually NO Union publications, or flyers... hmmmm...
 
Fast forward to today, some 20 years later... same scenario... only he has the advantage of Social Media! It is clear to me that there has been a profound prejudice toward ALL things union coming from this man for decades!

I do remember that circulation ROA. Wondered where that came from.

 

[Tim Nelson]

'33'
 
Don't take it personal, this is Nelson's MO... he has a mission, and it's not personal...
Why do you think he is on here north of 15 hrs per day... EVERY day? 
 
Mr. Nelson has been slandering the Union Leaders since the 90’s! It has been non-stop, and has evolved with the times.
 
For instance-- in the 90’s before social media became commonplace, he authored, and distributed word processed newspapers that were entitled “The Big Picture” through-out the system from the CLT hub. The cargo bins of active flights were loaded with these documents as they flew to various destinations for distribution.
 
This publication had a main theme of attacking the Leadership of the IAM, and proclaimed them as being “corrupt, inept, and in bed with the company”. Interestingly, they were distributed on Company Property in a strict environment that allowed virtually NO Union publications, or flyers... hmmmm...
 
Fast forward to today, some 20 years later... same scenario... only he has the advantage of Social Media! It is clear to me that there has been a profound prejudice toward ALL things union coming from this man for decades!

Why does Team Delaney travel anywhere it wants to, even for picketing and union elections, and I go in two breakrooms and get pulled in an office because your boys dime me out like you dimed me out last week over an other matter.  You haven 't done one damn thing for labor EVER other than sit in your little place in Catering in CLT until you retired.  Excuse me, you brought your moonshine over to the throw down party, I'll give you points for that.
 
I've been disciplined over the thing that you mention that I did in the 90's and I wasn't even working under a contract.  Back in the early 89,  WF had me on final warning for flying around trying to help Mike33 keep his union when I spoke to the media in PIT.  I think RockIt was working with me back then and knows a few things about this.  I had my flying suspended over it and issued a stern warning I will get fired.   Too bad we lost the union in the 89 vote, but it didn't help that employees like you wouldn't sign a Teamster card in '89 because you 'needed more time to think things over'.  Whatever. And, the thing you accuse me of in the 90's is also the thing that 700 says the union fought and got my job back for me. Which is it?   The only thing you are good at is diming a brother out. Did the Republicans make you dime me out, Roa?
 
U4C will buying full far tickets just to travel, 

 

[roabilly]

Why did AH allow Team Delaney to travel anywhere it wanted two years ago, and I travel two places and get pulled in an office because your boys dme me out like you dimed me out last week.  Diming members out like you did is scablike and certainly anti union.  You haven 't done one damn thing for labor EVER other than sit in your little place in Catering in CLT until you retired.   I've received termination papers over the thing that you mention that I did in the 90's and I wasn't even working under a contract.   Watson F also had me on final warning back in the early 90's for flying around trying to help Mike33 keep his union when I spoke to the media in PIT.  I had my flying suspended over it and issued a stern warning I will get fired.   Too bad we lost the union in the 89 vote, but it didn't help that employees like you 'needed more time to think things over'.  And, the thing you accuse me of in the 90's is also the thing that 700 says the union fought and got my job back for me.  Both of you are wrong though,  No, the company didn't like what I was doing so I got reprimanded. And no, the union didn't help because I still was non contract and had to use Ed Milson at my kangaroo court roundtable hearing. I think it was early '98.   So get your facts straight. Have you ever been in the office for things associated with union?  Funny how you accuse one of the very few who have.   At any rate, no, I didn't appreciate you diming me out last week.  Being a snitch is something inside few people.

How can I be a "snitch" for observing the observable? This is a PUBLIC forum, and you know full well that ANYBODY can read, and apply chronology to it, including Company Officers. If you were concerned about that... you wouldn't do what you do would you?
 
For the record... I was a YES vote in 89!

 

[Tim Nelson]

It is ridiculous to even suggest that I talk to AH.  What AH offered was a POS.  Educating the members on the single carrier, and the TWU MOU, has cut 'deep' along the bull sh&t of those who are blowing smoke so they claim I'm with AH.  Their suggestion that an arbitrator will intentionally violate a pre determined timeline is utterly nonsensical. Educating the members that the Association is NOT legally recognized by ANYONE cuts deep against the smoke blowing for Team Delaney which has pinned its hopes on mass confusion at US AIRWAYS by using "The Association" to say that the TWU is not obligated anymore since the association has taken its legal obligations.  UTTERLY RIDICULOUS!  
 
The arguments are so absurd but they can get away with all of it with those who choose to bury their heads in the sand.  And Mike33 will believe it!    Mike 33 actually believes such whacked up BS that has been blown up his ass that he has become willingly ignorant and nobody can tell him otherwise.
 
Much easier for me to try to buy votes and say that the NC isn't asking for enough.  And it sure sounds great how Team Delaney is telling everyone that they will get AH to give them everything they asked for in the ultimatum. Buys a helluva lot of votes at US AIRWAYS no doubt.  But as an AGC elect, if I get elected, I have to have the trust of the members, thus I'm not going to blow smoke up folks ass to get elected.  If I win then it will be with honesty and not promising treasure island contracts in pre joint talks and that arbitrators will violate contracts, and that the association allows the TWU a way out of the MOU.  Actually, it is quite ludicrous to believe that but kool aid drinkers make themselves willingly ignorant so that they make the truth a lie and stand by it.
 
And who said otherwise?  CB?  Nope. Prez? Nope.  They use their front men Roabilly and others to toss things out there, or they say unwritten things.   How about it CB or Prez.....will the arbitrator violate the pre determined timeline in the MOU #9?  Or are both of you going to stick your finger up your asses and say "Who am I to question attorneys?"    Maybe CB can tell us what AH attorney thinks of the MOU they crafted and the arbitrator who has ALREADY been contracted to handle any resolution needed. Instead of having Roabilly be your mouths,  why don't you both come clean and answer the legal questions.  If you dn't know the answers then neither of you have a damn reason to be in negotiations. 
 
Does the Association give the TWU a free pass on its legal obligations in the MOU?  Yes or No?
 
Will an arbitrator intentionally violate the pre determined terms of any resolution, see #9?  Yes or No?
 
Is the Association EVEN RECOGNIZED BY ANYONE?  Yes or No?
 
And, why weren't any US AIRWAYS members in negotiations last time?  Everything from the NC is second hand.

Cricket.
 
Members are waiting CB and Prez.  Stop sitting behind a curtain allowing Roabilly to continue with being your mouthpiece. Answer the questions.
 
Is the Association recognized by any federal agency?  And won't it only be recognized after it wins an election? Yes or No?  Yes or No CB?
 
Will the arbitrator intentionally violate the pre determined timeline he agreed to?  See item 9 in MOU?  Yes or No?
 
Does the Association give the TWU a free pass on its legal obligations in the MOU?  Yes or No?
 
CB and Prez, you have intentionally allowed the above Bull S to continue with Roabilly as your chief cheerleader.  Put the above questions to rest.  A simple yes or no is all that is required. It's very fair to ask those questions since you make yourself available on here.  Yes or No? answer the questions.

 

[Tim Nelson]

How can I be a "snitch" for observing the observable? This is a PUBLIC forum, and you know full well that ANYBODY can read, and apply chronology to it, including Company Officers. If you were concerned about that... you wouldn't do what you do would you?
 
For the record... I was a YES vote in 89!

you dimed me out Roabilly. Snitching and picking a nose are not socially acceptable.  You know what you did, don't act stupid.  I don't like rats.
 
At any rate, go get Prez or CB and get them to answer the straight up questions to put an end to all of your nonsense about the association.

 

[roabilly]

Cricket.
 
Members are waiting CB and Prez.  Stop sitting behind a curtain allowing Roabilly to continue with being your mouthpiece. Answer the questions.
 
Is the Association recognized by any federal agency?  And won't it only be recognized after it wins an election? Yes or No?  Yes or No CB?
 
Will the arbitrator intentionally violate the pre determined timeline he agreed to?  See item 9 in MOU?  Yes or No?
 
Does the Association give the TWU a free pass on its legal obligations in the MOU?  Yes or No?
 
CB and Prez, you have intentionally allowed the above Bull S to continue with Roabilly as your chief cheerleader.  Put the above questions to rest.  A simple yes or no is all that is required.

This is how F’d up in the head you are! I’m advocating a split ticket; in fact I just mailed my Grand Lodge absentee in. As far as the 141 election, I’m still deciding how to vote my SPLIT ticket. I am not blindly supporting ALL incumbents as you suggest...
 
So... the accusation that I’m somehow affiliated with the current team, and serving as “cheerleader” for them is an outright LIE!

 

[roabilly]

you dimed me out Roabilly. Snitching and picking a nose are not socially acceptable.  You know what you did, don't act stupid.  I don't like rats.
 
At any rate, go get Prez or CB and get them to answer the straight up questions to put an end to all of your nonsense about the association.

I think I said this some days ago... whatever your paranoid little brain want's to think...

 

[Tim Nelson]

and when you want to accuse someone of being with management, how about next time you don't pick one of maybe only 2 or 3 in the history who haven't been brought into offices and questioned as I was last year when United management wanted me fired when your boys dimed me out last year, and two years ago and 25 years ago.  As far as you being a cheerleader, let's just say it's time for CB and Prez to answer the very very simple questions to counter your ridiculous dribble about all the BS you have spewed over a process that you have absolutely no clue about. But you don't care, even if all your brothers and sisters go out on strike, you will prolly sign up as a replacement worker, right?

 

[700UW]

I think people should post a flyer with how Tim talks to people on here that dont agree with him.
 
No one would vote for you if you are going to treat the members how you treat anyone on here who disagrees with you.

 

[Harry Callahan]

I'm pretty sure I know, but imo Nelson needs to " come clean"on where his degree is from & what it's in. Since he brought it up it matters. With out coming clean he has no credibility with me.
 
Harry

 

[robbedagain]

Tim  I do have  questions for you: 
 
why if this current team is the same one you advocated for just as you did for the last round  why are you dead set against them   its like your not giving these guys a fair shot   and to begin with  our team was handed a hell of a mess and they are doing their upmost best.
 
2nd  how do you know for sure what is or was being proposed by the donkeys     can you provide a link so we all can see it?
 
how do you know if our team is holding anything back or not?   ive met a nbr of those folks and I have to admit  I feel a lot more comfortable with our team than I did under randy canale team  
 
to me  it just seems you are not happy with anyone who represents us      unless it is you

 

[roabilly]

and when you want to accuse someone of being with management, how about next time you don't pick one of maybe only 2 or 3 in the history who haven't been brought into offices and questioned as I was last year when United management wanted me fired when your boys dimed me out last year, and two years ago and 25 years ago.  As far as you being a cheerleader, let's just say it's time for CB and Prez to answer the very very simple questions to counter your ridiculous dribble about all the BS you have spewed over a process that you have absolutely no clue about. But you don't care, even if all your brothers and sisters go out on strike, you will prolly sign up as a replacement worker, right?

No Tim, i'm quite comfortable financially... no need to work. Secondly. that would void the IAM pension I receive, which by the way, I just got my latest report on... it's over 100% funded in the green zone!
 
P.S. If you were getting "dimed out" as you imply, your behavior would have modified within the 14 day disciplinary issuance article-- It has actually increased instead... so try again...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim  I do have  questions for you: 
 
why if this current team is the same one you advocated for just as you did for the last round  why are you dead set against them   its like your not giving these guys a fair shot   and to begin with  our team was handed a hell of a mess and they are doing their upmost best.
 
2nd  how do you know for sure what is or was being proposed by the donkeys     can you provide a link so we all can see it?
 
how do you know if our team is holding anything back or not?   ive met a nbr of those folks and I have to admit  I feel a lot more comfortable with our team than I did under randy canale team  
 
to me  it just seems you are not happy with anyone who represents us      unless it is you

Actually, those are good questions without really attacking me. 
 
I never advocated for the current team in the last round. Actually I ran against most of them.  However, myself and the majority of members, felt half of them deserved a shot 6 years ago.  6 years ago is enough time to access their work.  Why don't I still support those that I supported 6 years ago?  That's a good question but I suppose it is the same reason why anyone votes for someone to give them a chance and then sees the things they accomplished and decides to vote against them.  Really doesn't matter if it's union politics or National United State politics, no candidate is entitled to a vote just because someone votes for them in the past. 
 
Why am I against them?  Because they have done a terrible job, that's why.  The current team you mention has produced a horrible HAL contract and have completely destroyed most of our craft by producing a United ramp contract that is open ended and is so awful in concessionary bargaining that it would be appalling for me to consider anyone who endorsed that mess.  Their stance at United which led to them walking into joint talks with nothing up front is why AH is now insisting that they do likewise for him. 
 
As far as me, I gave others a shot in district elections and purposely didn't put myself on a ballot in 2008 so not sure what you are referring to 'unless it's me'.  Even in the 2014 INTL election, I stepped aside and told Karen I want to focus on the AMR contract and run for the District election instead of running for any position on her slate. I don't believe you are accusing me of running for office but the way I figure is that I learned.  How does it go, "If you want something done right....."     So I'm going to give it my best shot.  The  process of learning ought to be continual. I will learn even more if I continue in other offices. 
 
At any rate,  things have not been done right at all, even your grievance which has gone on and on and on for over 5 years [your's isn't the only one btw that has been in the wasteland], negotiation strategies have been incredibly juvenile which produced terrible situations for our members, the current negotiations at US AIRWAYS has fallen apart and now virtually nothing is left on the table and things are torn.   If you want to continue this path of nothingness then you really should vote for the current group.  I will admit that they have talked their asses off for 6 years but with NOTHING to show. 
 
I think 6 years is enough of a fair shot and 3 completely blown F up negotiations.  And I have been encouraged by the members who support the team I'm on.  I think our union is clearly at the crossroads, instead of negative destructive bargaining that really does nothing for anyone as we have seen other than polarize things and buy votes, I think we start putting the membership first over politics and work hard at finding solutions, properly process grievances, and hope for a better outcome in Joint talks.  The current politics have polarized talks and may very well lead to a strike that could have been avoided. If the current leadership takes us all out on strike then we go on strike and hope for the best. 
 
Unfortunately, if we get new officers, none of us will be able to help out in the current negotiations, as the current negotiations and any release, will necessarily come before June 9 as the board has never ruled on a release when a single carrier has been filed or when a union intentionally violates a contract.   Any new candidate won't be sworn in until October.  Until then, time will tell.  We have to change the way grievances are handled,  we have to finally follow our bylaws and be accountable by giving all the local chairpersons a quarterly grievance report on all grievances [see bylaws],  we have to be closer to the members.  We can improve upon most everything.

 

[P. REZ]

Cricket.
 
Members are waiting CB and Prez.  Stop sitting behind a curtain allowing Roabilly to continue with being your mouthpiece. Answer the questions.
 
Is the Association recognized by any federal agency?  And won't it only be recognized after it wins an election? Yes or No?  Yes or No CB?
 
Will the arbitrator intentionally violate the pre determined timeline he agreed to?  See item 9 in MOU?  Yes or No?
 
Does the Association give the TWU a free pass on its legal obligations in the MOU?  Yes or No?
 
CB and Prez, you have intentionally allowed the above Bull S to continue with Roabilly as your chief cheerleader.  Put the above questions to rest.  A simple yes or no is all that is required. It's very fair to ask those questions since you make yourself available on here.  Yes or No? answer the questions.

Tim,
 
Calm down bro, I am not at liberty to discuss what is planned on the above subjects seeing how management does see these threads. I was the one who posted about #9 in the MOU and all of the concerns you bring up have been brought up. That is why I tell you I hear you Tim. You come on here and tell everyone we are spreading BS, find a quote of mine where I am doing that Tim. WTF.
 
P. Rez