2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[NYer]

NYer   what makes you so sure the NMB will not release either group?    How will you react if the NMB does release both groups?

 
If they are released, I'll quit the forums.

 

[mike33]

 
If they are released, I'll quit the forums.

Thats mighty big of you Nyer !!!!   come on now ....hows about you throw a release party ? After all it would benefit you and us 2 yrs from now ! We could also wear bags over our heads with our "Handles " printed on the front.....except for Tim of course......!

 

[roabilly]

His attacks against the Leadership of the union goes to the pre merger Piedmont days of the Teamsters' representation. At the time the Teamsters represented 4 stations on the former Allegheny Airlines. He threw stones back then and was a constant thorn in the side of VH. Witnessed it first hand.

Cargo,
 
You pretty much summed it up, and see things the same way I see them. I think you and I are close in age and experience. It’s pretty hard to fool the older seasoned guys like us at this stage in life... it is called intuition via wisdom! You just placed him at the scene of anti-unionism in the 80's... WOW!
 
When this whole 6 deal is settled... for better, or for worst... the elections conclude... and the JCBA is done... Roabilly will inactivate his account, as all missions will be complete!
 
 
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I'll be passing the torch to the young-uns!

 

[mike33]

His attacks against the Leadership of the union goes to the pre merger Piedmont days of the Teamsters' representation. At the time the Teamsters represented 4 stations on the former Allegheny Airlines. He threw stones back then and was a constant thorn in the side of VH. Witnessed it first hand.

Bos - Phl - Pit - What was the 4th Cargo? Buf?

 

[roabilly]

Bos - Phl - Pit - What was the 4th Cargo? Buf?

DCA?

 

[mike33]

DCA?

ah   ok thx

 

[Tim Nelson]

NYer, I know you and know that you were a part of that NMB decision and were actually dealing with the NMB firsthand on the matter.  No disrespect but I think the two cases are different.  At the time, I didn't see no way in hell the NMB would release you guys, as strong as the TWU case was, because your airline was the #1 airline but it was circling the drain and everyone knew it was going bankrupt.  Why would Obama set himself up for killing an airline? -- Same goes for the current situation. As healthy as the airline seems, it is also coming out of bankruptcy and needs to meet certain milestones in order to make the Plan of Reorganization successful in meeting the intended savings and rise in revenues. It is also the largest airline in the country and any stoppage would certainly affect the national economy and that is the main goal of the NMB to avoid. The longer into this merger we go, the more intertwined the airlines will become and the less likely to receive a release. It is quote simply NOT happening.
 
OTOH,  the economy is much better than back then, the industry is doing back flips in profits, and the airline is blowing away all projections.  --That being the case why would the NMB or the Obama Administration do anything to jeopardize any of that in a mid-term election year? The answer is...they won't.
 
Things have changed.  Not saying he will or won't allow a strike but a release is totally separate from a strike as you know.  Obama may split it in between with a PEB which delays things for 30 days but gives both parties time to get their collective #### together, including AH.  Again, I don't see it but the politics are favorable actually.  --If you believe the politics are favorable, then you're not really paying attention. The GOP is all about going against entitlements and unions and the Administration is not going to jeopardize the economy for the sake of giving the IAM leverage...especially where it just leads to another round of negotiations soon after. And US is not the only group in Mediation. How do you let one group go and not the others? It just doesn't make sense and they won't do it.

A release isnt going to affect the economy at all. A strike maybe. I think z ped is possible but will fade if a release isnt granted in the next month.

 

[ograc]

i havent been on here pushing my support, i have been on here educating members about the associationand legal timelines that are incredibly important to better understand why the ultimatum strategy is losing our leverage. In doing so i realize i will lose support. If i cared about votes as u say i would just sit back. Prez cant even answer a simple question.

You have been on here "educating members about the legal timeliness" as you see it. It has been noted. It must also be duly noted, your posts, are your interpretations and opinions and may or may not be the end result. Let's let the legal teams from both parties sort it out. In the meantime, it would be in our best interest to support the NC on what we charged them to do. That is; gain meaningful improvements to our current BK contract in Section 6 negotiations. Then, and only then, we enter in to JCBA negotiations. IMO... this remains the position of the vast majority of the membership. All we need is a release!
Lock and Load!    

 

[robbedagain]

BUF
 
NYer  while I do respect your statement  this whole sect 6 is just for the US side   that's why I think we cld get released

 

[rockit2]

DCA?

Mr know it all it was BUF, Teamster's were PIT. PHL. and Bos, your a southern ass

 

[NYer]

A release isnt going to affect the economy at all. A strike maybe. I think z ped is possible but will fade if a release isnt granted in the next month.

 
C'mon Tim. A hint of a release will cause thousands to book away from the airline. An actual release and countdown will cause even more to book elsewhere and can even effect market share. For an airline right out of bankruptcy AND merging, that will do nothing but cause economic ripples.
 
A PEB is even more remote than a release.

 

[ograc]

DCA?

BUF. Back then it was a large station in the former Allegheny network. 

 

[mike33]

Mr know it all it was BUF, Teamster's were PIT. PHL. and Bos, your a southern ass

i think you were baited rockit 

 

[roabilly]

Mr know it all it was BUF, Teamster's were PIT. PHL. and Bos, your a southern ass

That's why I had the question mark behind it, my memory has faded some... gettin' old... What do you have against southerners?

 

[NYer]

BUF
 
NYer  while I do respect your statement  this whole sect 6 is just for the US side   that's why I think we cld get released

 
There is no "US side," The airline merged in December and with that they are both tied by the hip. They now rely on each other for revenue, management and passengers.
 
...And if you want to make that argument, then you're trying to get raises and other enhancements from the #5 airline. If you want something better than the #4 airline that means you'll need to convince the NMB they can afford it...unlikely.
 
Everything points towards no release, an interim deal then joint negotiations. As much as two bites at the apple would benefit all of us...the powers will not let that happen.