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Tim Nelson said:
sorry mike, i just kneejerk quoted him. Thanks for the heads up. Am i the only one who quotes him? Whats the history of josh and why everyone ignore him? I dont believe he is a banker but it seems he is the opposite of 700. At any rate, ill try not to quote him if i respond to his questions. When folks engage me i do try to answer all posters though. I just wont quote him.
Who gives a s*** who he actually is?! He SAYS he's a financial officer... with (ahem) "friends" in the Industry. You know this very well... he's been your posting buddy for months!
 
Your penchant for games, deception, and ambiguity are your Achilles Heel!
 
roabilly said:
Cargo,
 
Congratulations—you are one of only a few on here that actually “get it”! I’ve been reading your replies for over a year, and they remain spot-on! The Membership is responsible for their destiny, and not some quasi-conspiracy!
 
It’s real friggin’ simple folks... if a propsal/tenative is sub-par in your opinion... you VOTE NO!
 
Collectively, the Membership wields more power than the International, and the District combined, regardless of who is in charge!
 
Lock and Load!
As you know, it isnt that simple. The leadership usually will become a management mouthpiece and do its best job of instilling fear of what can happen if a ta is turned down. The leadership also intentionally refrains from educating the membership on its options, especially more favorable ones.

The membership pulls the trigger one way or the other but with only partial information or false info. Of course, afterwards, you and 700 will blame the membership like you do freedom.

At united,none of us who fought against the new directions anti union contract, knew what the definition of back to back patt time was. The contract says it is not allowed. Well, your boys signed off that it doesnt mean an 8. hour shift where the first 4 hours can be one part timer working the ramp and then a second part timer can work the immediate next 4 or 5 hours in the bag room. You claim you are a union man but your loyalties are to a group of individuals who have actually destroyed labor in this craft.
 
roabilly said:
Collectively, the Membership wields more power than the International, and the District combined, regardless of who is in charge!
Couldn't agree more. If only everyone in working class America felt that way again, this nation would be in a much better place...
 
737823 said:
Yay!!! This is great news Tim. So will Buffy, Roach, and Sito likely decide to "retire" once they are ousted? They have both been around far too long. I wonder what will happen to and all the TWA leaders at DL 142.

I think Karen will be a great leader and go a long way to repair a broken system.

Josh
Oh so you are now an IAM Member and know Karen?
 
If I am not mistaken Karen was an AGC under Canale and hasnt been able to get re-elected several times as she was voted out of office.
 
Third, the International officers have to follow the Constitution and cant make unilateral changes, the Constitution can only be changed once every four years.
 
roabilly said:
Who gives a s*** who he actually is?! He SAYS he's a financial officer... with (ahem) "friends" in the Industry. You know this very well... he's been your posting buddy for months!
 
Your penchant for games, deception, and ambiguity are your Achilles Heel!
Huh? lol.  I certainly don't care who he is. You are preaching to the choir. I don't even bring this stuff up, you do.
 
700UW said:
Oh so you are now an IAM Member and know Karen?
 
If I am not mistaken Karen was an AGC under Canale and hasnt been able to get re-elected several times as she was voted out of office.
 
Third, the International officers have to follow the Constitution and cant make unilateral changes, the Constitution can only be changed once every four years.
that's not altogether true. The constitution could have allowed a 'reasonable' time to nominate.  The DOL didn't force a complete change in the constitution, it allowed for the interpretation to present more reasonableness.  And that was the core of my case.
That said, I'm sure the constitution will change in the next convention to explicitly model after the current election.
 
Dealing with Buffy with the internal grievance was like dealing with a monkey.  He would just shout and say I'm destroying his union.  It's almost as if he can't approach a situation academically.  I was shocked. He must feel some sense of entitlement to his job.
 
700UW said:
Oh so you are now an IAM Member and know Karen?
 
If I am not mistaken Karen was an AGC under Canale and hasnt been able to get re-elected several times as she was voted out of office.
 
Third, the International officers have to follow the Constitution and cant make unilateral changes, the Constitution can only be changed once every four years.
 
Are You?
 
Tim Nelson said:
As you know, it isnt that simple. The leadership usually will become a management mouthpiece and do its best job of instilling fear of what can happen if a ta is turned down. The leadership also intentionally refrains from educating the membership on its options, especially more favorable ones.

The membership pulls the trigger one way or the other but with only partial information or false info. Of course, afterwards, you and 700 will blame the membership like you do freedom.

At united,none of us who fought against the new directions anti union contract, knew what the definition of back to back patt time was. The contract says it is not allowed. Well, your boys signed off that it doesnt mean an 8. hour shift where the first 4 hours can be one part timer working the ramp and then a second part timer can work the immediate next 4 or 5 hours in the bag room. You claim you are a union man but your loyalties are to a group of individuals who have actually destroyed labor in this craft.
In my hub, we were hit hard with the reductions from FT to PT. We are in the joint bidding process now, and there are many part time lines that "almost" run back to back. It has to be that way, because of the reductions. The filling of coverage gaps has to come from somewhere.........
 
737823 said:
Yay!!! This is great news Tim. So will Buffy, Roach, and Sito likely decide to "retire" once they are ousted? They have both been around far too long. I wonder what will happen to and all the TWA leaders at DL 142.

I think Karen will be a great leader and go a long way to repair a broken system.

Josh
Bye Bye and good riddance!!!!
 
T5towbar said:
In my hub, we were hit hard with the reductions from FT to PT. We are in the joint bidding process now, and there are many part time lines that "almost" run back to back. It has to be that way, because of the reductions. The filling of coverage gaps has to come from somewhere.........
and if it isn't a further slap in the face. As I posted to Jet Job and the other guy, the 5 month "Temporary" window will allow the company to lay off members, and back fill them with temps.  Kindly review the company openings on its web site and see how ORD has "Temp" openings starting in May.  This after 850 reductions this month. And the worst is yet to come. What is further convincing of the leadership is that the US AIRWAYS Eboard members can't say how bad the United agreement was since they supported the eboard and put their loyalties with a man instead of the membership. Sad indeed.
 
Tim Nelson said:
and if it isn't a further slap in the face. As I posted to Jet Job and the other guy, the 5 month "Temporary" window will allow the company to lay off members, and back fill them with temps.  Kindly review the company openings on its web site and see how ORD has "Temp" openings starting in May.  This after 850 reductions this month. And the worst is yet to come. What is further convincing of the leadership is that the US AIRWAYS Eboard members can't say how bad the United agreement was since they supported the eboard and put their loyalties with a man instead of the membership. Sad indeed.
Also as i seem to recall, can't the medical be revisited in March also? I hate throwing stuff out there but i don't have the info in front of me.
 
Tim Nelson said:
Huh? lol.  I certainly don't care who he is. You are preaching to the choir. I don't even bring this stuff up, you do.
If that were a true statement-- you wouldn't spend countless hours answering his 'leading' questions. Of course, all of his questions just "happen" by complete coincidence of course (wink...wink)... to lead directly into a suitable direction for a tirade from which you can denounce the IAM, and it's Leadership.
 
Of course, all of this is supposed to satisfy the insatiable appetite of a Financial Officer with absolutely no connection to the Company and/or Fleet Service!
 
Yeah right...
 
Dude... you should have been a used car salesman!
 
mike33 said:
Also as i seem to recall, can't the medical be revisited in March also? I hate throwing stuff out there but i don't have the info in front of me.
Yes. The 'new medical plans' are going to be rolled out next week.  Many of the former United rampers will see an increase from $0 to over $400. So, even on the compensation side, IAM141 only negotiated a cost neutral contract. Tossed out great medical and half the profit sharing and ended up paying for their own raise.  Never mind the work rules of start times, unlimited part time, etc.  And, the entire eboard unanimously approved it. 
 
Tim Nelson said:
Yes. The 'new medical plans' are going to be rolled out next week.  Many of the former United rampers will see an increase from $0 to over $400. So, even on the compensation side, IAM141 only negotiated a cost neutral contract. Tossed out great medical and half the profit sharing and ended up paying for their own raise.  Never mind the work rules of start times, unlimited part time, etc.  And, the entire eboard unanimously approved it. 
I found it in LOA #3 of the UA contract at the end of the agreement. Better not be any shinanagins like that in ours. Although we already pay as a group. LOA obviously didn't stipulate $$ cost at the time of voting. 
 
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