2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[cltrat]

IAM will facilitate concessions to get the AA TWU employees on the IAMNPF. Besides isn't the IAM leading the alliance for the first few years.

Josh

the alliance is going to have to be voted on at some point

 

[robbedagain]

IAM will facilitate concessions to get the AA TWU employees on the IAMNPF. Besides isn't the IAM leading the alliance for the first few years.

Josh

why would the iam negogiate concessions when at this point in the stage that we have the leverage  and the NMB is the one who schedules the talks or can release both groups?    seems to me that if they were to facilitate any concessions  then whats the point of having any leverage.   
 
mike  i agree with you     if scope is reduced   if wages are not brought up    and if no retro  count this as a NO VOTE

 

[737823]

why would the iam negogiate concessions when at this point in the stage that we have the leverage  and the NMB is the one who schedules the talks or can release both groups?    seems to me that if they were to facilitate any concessions  then whats the point of having any leverage.   
 
mike  i agree with you     if scope is reduced   if wages are not brought up    and if no retro  count this as a NO VOTE

Robbed, I mean give up other areas-higher pay rates, better scope, better medical to add AA TWU to IAMNPF. The company looks at the comprehensive package-if you include IAMNPF other areas of the agreement won't necessarily be as strong.

Josh

 

[cltrat]

Robbed, I mean give up other areas-higher pay rates, better scope, better medical to add AA TWU to IAMNPF. The company looks at the comprehensive package-if you include IAMNPF other areas of the agreement won't necessarily be as strong.

Josh

that fight for better or worse would be more likely to happen in joint talks not this transition agreement

 

[Hope777]

That which is known of negotiations has revealed itself.  I don't have to be in the actual negotiation room to know that a two year deal is moronic. I don't have to be in negotiations to know that DOS wages will NOT be at AMR levels according to his reagonomic proposal in December. What the hell is going on??  Scrap that dopey proposal and negotiate from the leverage we have.  STOP the insanity!
 
Nobody is asking for our NC to bring back the broom of the wicked witch, but our members want fairness.  Damn it!  Increase the damn scope, have wages north, FAR NORTH, of AMR.  If AH wants to continue holding his chump hand then we better not fold like our guys always do.  Grow some damn STONES.
 
Was I hallucinating when it looked like Parker was having a seizure because he was so excited to announce profits that were better than he thought?  We have 6,000 fleet service members and that damn NC better not even think about coming back with no chump TA that doesn't protect all the current stations with permanent scope, and wages far north of AMR.   I don't want to hear any S that AH is a mean guy and management is ruthless.  Management is suppose to be greedy but I don't pay my damn dues to management. I expect and our members expect our NC to grow some stones and get their heads out of their arses in the meantime.

700  with all do respect, Yes Tom has the interest of Maint & Related at Heart,  but working with him for several years in EWR, he could care less about Fleet.  And I am speaking from my History with him.

 

[cltrat]

700  with all do respect, Yes Tom has the interest of Maint & Related at Heart,  but working with him for several years in EWR, he could care less about Fleet.  And I am speaking from my History with him.

if that is the case it's beyond me a guy like that is even in the room

 

[ograc]

It's been so long since we've had a raise ..... who cares now. Let's be the one to say no and let the company make a move.

Lock and Load! You think the International or the District has the B##ls to give such a directive? still waiting.

 

[ograc]

Well you are the only ones who can make the company negotiate in good faith.
 
But the majority of you, cut corners, dont work by rule, take all the OT you can get, and rush back to the breakroom to play cars, read, watch tv, or play on your computers.
 
You need to stick together and show the company who is in charge.

 

[ograc]

Well you are the only ones who can make the company negotiate in good faith.
 
But the majority of you, cut corners, dont work by rule, take all the OT you can get, and rush back to the breakroom to play cars, read, watch tv, or play on your computers.
 
You need to stick together and show the company who is in charge.

You hit the nail on the head! The majority of the members want the union officials to do the fighting but couldn't be bothered with wholesale support. That might take away from their arse time in the break rooms to watch TV, play cards, read or play on their phones or computers.The good old "let somebody else do the fighting while I reap the benefits." You get what you are willing to fight for. This membership needs to start putting down the mindless distractions and start focusing and fighting for their collective working futures.The chain is only as strong as it's weakest link!

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Ya think the company doesn't have any $$$ to offer Fleet Service ????????  THINK AGAIN !!!!!!
 
The headlines coming from this merger and the $$$ being thrown around to EVERYONE except FLEET should infuriate EVERY SINGLE AGENT in the system !!!! WAKE UP and STOP making it WORK PEOPLE !!!!!!   
 
 
 
American Airlines to offer veteran flight attendants $40,000 to deplane
 
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airline-industry/20140129-american-airlines-to-offer-veteran-flight-attendants-40000-to-deplane.ece

 

[Tim Nelson]

You hit the nail on the head! The majority of the members want the union officials to do the fighting but couldn't be bothered with wholesale support. That might take away from their arse time in the break rooms to watch TV, play cards, read or play on their phones or computers.The good old "let somebody else do the fighting while I reap the benefits." You get what you are willing to fight for. This membership needs to start putting down the mindless distractions and start focusing and fighting for their collective working futures.The chain is only as strong as it's weakest link!

There is a definite disconnect between the District leadership and the membership. IMO, very very few believe the District has their back or can be counted on if a member stuck his/her chest out.  When grievances are filed, especially terminations or suspensions, practically all of them end up in the Bermuda triangle and disappear forever.  Maybe if our current District leadership followed the bylaws and published all the grievances 'resolved or dissolved' and gave them to the Local Chairpersons each quarter there would be more accountability. Nobody is home.

 

[psa8979]

TN they have ALL at D-141  been told to because of the politics ,social media, and rumor mill to go silent by the Leadership /Council . Its Status Quo ! until the wheeling and dealing is complete. Mergers always have losers and winners. The Inc. AAL /DP doesn't care about the Union until it begins to hurt the bottom line. The IAMATWU  is a secretive pyramid business that will do what they think is best for the Membership. The reality is the Majority of the Membership is apathetic,un-informed, and tuned out. So it's a win win for both at the top. Follow the $$$ because solidarity has become a slogan for only those who still believe and hope.

 

[Tim Nelson]

TN they have ALL at D-141  been told to because of the politics ,social media, and rumor mill to go silent by the Leadership /Council . Its Status Quo ! until the wheeling and dealing is complete. Mergers always have losers and winners. The Inc. AAL /DP doesn't care about the Union until it begins to hurt the bottom line. The IAMATWU  is a secretive pyramid business that will do what they think is best for the Membership. The reality is the Majority of the Membership is apathetic,un-informed, and tuned out. So it's a win win for both at the top. Follow the $$$ because solidarity has become a slogan for only those who still believe and hope.

The leadership is great at division and lies [See United].  It screams solidarity but hammers it. This membership is no different than any other membership but it needs leadership.  A leadership that wants to build solidarity instead of tearing it down by painting false realities.
 
As far as the IAM141 eboard, They know what I have seen and they had to 'retool' instead of talking big on here. Once they were 'busted'  as going for a two year deal, only status quo on scope, and a wage rate at DOS that is much lower than AMR they had to backtrack and scattered like cockroaches off of here.  Hopefully, our foot up their collective arses has opened up their 'thinkings' and they will scrap the last ridiculous proposal of December and increase it to substantial and fair levels.  They actually have reason to do so as well since even Parker claimed that revenues were more than projected and that the merger is far ahead of where they thought it would be. 

 

[737823]

The leadership is great at division and lies [See United].  It screams solidarity but hammers it. This membership is no different than any other membership but it needs leadership.  A leadership that wants to build solidarity instead of tearing it down by painting false realities.
 
As far as the IAM141 eboard, They know what I have seen and they had to 'retool' instead of talking big on here. Once they were 'busted'  as going for a two year deal, only status quo on scope, and a wage rate at DOS that is much lower than AMR they had to backtrack and scattered like cockroaches off of here.  Hopefully, our foot up their collective arses has opened up their 'thinkings' and they will scrap the last ridiculous proposal of December and increase it to substantial and fair levels.  They actually have reason to do so as well since even Parker claimed that revenues were more than projected and that the merger is far ahead of where they thought it would be.

Tim, what should the plan be if AA pushes for a UAL type agreement? At this point it will be very hard to push for more scope. Heck many of the ground servicing jobs at MIA that were once AA/TWU are now Eulen America $9/hr unorganized. Likely the same at other stations, I think Air Serve is big at DFW, Prospect at ORD, etc.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim, what should the plan be if AA pushes for a UAL type agreement? At this point it will be very hard to push for more scope. Heck many of the ground servicing jobs at MIA that were once AA/TWU are now Eulen America $9/hr unorganized. Likely the same at other stations, I think Air Serve is big at DFW, Prospect at ORD, etc.Josh

i think we should assume that is exactly what aa will ask for. However aa is not united. United is a smaller airline with alot less credit rating.
In joint talks we would start from where we are after our standalone contract is ratified and work upwards. No reason to conceed to united airline levels. We will raise the bar and lead the pack. That will give more leverage to united when they go back in talks.