2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[charlie Brown]

The leadership is great at division and lies [See United].  It screams solidarity but hammers it. This membership is no different than any other membership but it needs leadership.  A leadership that wants to build solidarity instead of tearing it down by painting false realities.
 
As far as the IAM141 eboard, They know what I have seen and they had to 'retool' instead of talking big on here. Once they were 'busted'  as going for a two year deal, only status quo on scope, and a wage rate at DOS that is much lower than AMR they had to backtrack and scattered like cockroaches off of here.  Hopefully, our foot up their collective arses has opened up their 'thinkings' and they will scrap the last ridiculous proposal of December and increase it to substantial and fair levels.  They actually have reason to do so as well since even Parker claimed that revenues were more than projected and that the merger is far ahead of where they thought it would be.

Maybe some of us have just been busy and not had the time to post. Unless it makes you feel better that we are all intimidated by you. You forget to remind people that anything we get in section 6 will exceed what you thought we would get. Remember you said we would go directly into joint talks just like Delaney did at UA. Even though some of us told you we wouldn't do that, and you told us we would be kicked off the nc by Delaney. Well we are all still here in section 6.
Maybe we should just quit since you intimidate us so bad, and we weren't even suppose to be in section 6 this whole time according to you!

 

[mike33]

Tim
 
  I thought you were gonna not quote that josh ( disrupt our conversation guy ) anymore. I'm beginning to wonder if ROA was right about you following each others posts with your own. Josh is not a part of this. He shouldn't be brought into our conversations thru your back door. Its a distraction to say the least. I don't want to put you on ignore either like Harry.

 

[ograc]

Maybe some of us have just been busy and not had the time to post. Unless it makes you feel better that we are all intimidated by you. You forget to remind people that anything we get in section 6 will exceed what you thought we would get. Remember you said we would go directly into joint talks just like Delaney did at UA. Even though some of us told you we wouldn't do that, and you told us we would be kicked off the nc by Delaney. Well we are all still here in section 6.
Maybe we should just quit since you intimidate us so bad, and we weren't even suppose to be in section 6 this whole time according to you!

CB,
The NC should and will be given the time and opportunity to negotiate a fair Section 6 contract for US Fleet prior to any Transition Agreement negotiations. Let it be known AH and the District leadership anything short of this will be deemed unacceptable and rejected by the membership. If the company and the union are wise they will accept the NC's position regarding the members' expectations. If the company truly wants a seamless and timely merger then it's time to negotiate in good faith and agree to Section 6 terms that have a reasonable chance of being ratified. I believe the NC has delivered this message previously. Maybe the company is "calling" and doubts the credibility of the NC and the resolve of the membership. If that's the case; Whatta you gonna do about it brother and sisters? It's time to get what we came down here for! It's time to stand behind the collective interests our NC is supposed to be fighting for! In the meantime... everyone should work safe; for the company has a "genuine intersest" in your well being. To you CB and the rest of the NC... Carry On! 

 

[charlie Brown]

CB,
The NC should and will be given the time and opportunity to negotiate a fair Section 6 contract for US Fleet prior to any Transition Agreement negotiations. Let it be known AH and the District leadership anything short of this will be deemed unacceptable and rejected by the membership. If the company and the union are wise they will accept the NC's position regarding the members' expectations. If the company truly wants a seamless and timely merger then it's time to negotiate in good faith and agree to Section 6 terms that have a reasonable chance of being ratified. I believe the NC has delivered this message previously. Maybe the company is "calling" and doubts the credibility of the NC and the resolve of the membership. If that's the case; Whatta you gonna do about it brother and sisters? It's time to get what we came down here for! It's time to stand behind the collective interests our NC is supposed to be fighting for! In the meantime... everyone should work safe; for the company has a "genuine intersest" in your well being. To you CB and the rest of the NC... Carry On!

Thanks Ograc. And I couldn't agree more with your post!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
 
  I thought you were gonna not quote that josh ( disrupt our conversation guy ) anymore. I'm beginning to wonder if ROA was right about you following each others posts with your own. Josh is not a part of this. He shouldn't be brought into our conversations thru your back door. Its a distraction to say the least. I don't want to put you on ignore either like Harry.

sorry mike, i just kneejerk quoted him. Thanks for the heads up. Am i the only one who quotes him? Whats the history of josh and why everyone ignore him? I dont believe he is a banker but it seems he is the opposite of 700. At any rate, ill try not to quote him if i respond to his questions. When folks engage me i do try to answer all posters though. I just wont quote him.

 

[mike33]

sorry mike, i just kneejerk quoted him. Thanks for the heads up. Am i the only one who quotes him? Whats the history of josh and why everyone ignore him? I dont believe he is a banker but it seems he is the opposite of 700. At any rate, ill try not to quote him if i respond to his questions. When folks engage me i do try to answer all posters though. I just wont quote him.

NP. I gave him a month of my reading and got nothing out of what he is talking about that helps me or the membership. It's always about how bad the IAM is and not about our solidarity. 
  I don't know if ur the only one but i haven't seen a post from him in a month but i know he is lurking and remarking.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Intetnational nomination update
the reform team received 14 white ballot endorsements and only needs 11 more endorsements from the remaining 85 locals. Looks like we will finally have our first international election ever. Once members geta ballot in their hand i think buffenbarger(buffy the union slayer) will lose by a hundred thousand votes. Exciting and positive things for sure.
Alot of hard work for the reformers but if yhry are successful and if half thr iam141 eboard gets cleansed then i will thank delaney for firing me and giving me the time to focus on challenging the intl constitution, successfully, and securing a new intl vote!

Tossing out the international officers is not without reason.
buffy the union slayer has lost 40% of our membership while in office because he is an absolute idiot and management suckup. Because of his incompetence, he had to raise dues to record levels and slash our pension in half.

 

[cltrat]

without question the entire international needs to be ousted. Hopefully it will happen.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Maybe some of us have just been busy and not had the time to post. Unless it makes you feel better that we are all intimidated by you. You forget to remind people that anything we get in section 6 will exceed what you thought we would get. Remember you said we would go directly into joint talks just like Delaney did at UA. Even though some of us told you we wouldn't do that, and you told us we would be kicked off the nc by Delaney. Well we are all still here in section 6.
Maybe we should just quit since you intimidate us so bad, and we weren't even suppose to be in section 6 this whole time according to you!

Charlie,  I'm a small dude so I realize I don't intimidate anyone.  
As far as my previous comments, you are absolutely correct in that I said you guys would leave section 6 talks, prior to getting a fair ta, and go into joint talks but I haven't the slightest timetable on it.  It still remains quite possible. The United NC stayed in section 6 talks for well over a year after 'effective date' until they pulled the plug on them and the bottom fell out.  Yes, I remain skeptical with plenty reason. Of course, I hope I'm wrong and that you guys stick it out in section 6 and finish the course with a equitable ta.
 
And what's with all the time limits on grievances being waived?  I've read Robbedagain on here, being unbelievably patient, talking about his own grievance of 3+ years?  The JAX LC....does he even hear from the grievances filled out? Why does the leadership waive the time limits in the contract....why not enforce the contract we already have?  I mean, yeah I B*tch but there is a helluva lot to B*tch about. Filling out a grievance around here ends up in the Bermuda Triangle and disappears for years!  What is going on?

 

[700UW]

You do realize not waiving the time limits pushes everything to the next stop, so you want everything to end up in arbitration?
 
You do realize that would take years to hear?

 

[Tim Nelson]

You do realize not waiving the time limits pushes everything to the next stop, so you want everything to end up in arbitration?
 
You do realize that would take years to hear?

That's not what I said.  Offer dissolution or resolution.  If resolution, then stick to the time limits. That's the contract and it should be enforced.  No justification to D people around waiving off time limits for management and sending grievances into the Bermuda Triangle where they disappear.  If a grievance is won, then it is won. If it is lost then it is lost, but stop D folks around blowing smoke up their arses putting their lives on hold.  Maybe if things got arbitrated a helluva lot more there would be a lot more respect [or at least SOME respect] around in these parts.  AH already knows our union has no stones and will waive off time limits and allow him to send the grievances into the Bermuda Triangle where they disappear.  You talk about how the membership needs to do things but if the leadership is too damn fat and happy to handle grievances then how can you possibly think that the membership would think that the union leadership has its back?   In PHL alone, there are supposedly hundreds of grievances that have simply not been handled for years.  Not right. Not right man.
 
And this eboard breaks the bylaws by refusing to publish quarterly grievance reports as the bylaws states.
 
BTW, the LM2's state about 20,000 in arbitration cost last year.  So, between United, HAL, and US AIRWAYS, out of the thousands of grievances, that's only about 5 cases handled, right?  Someone isn't doing their J.O.B.

 

[bunt3dunk]

What we need to do is delay flights , especially the morning fleet launch , we have to fight back someway to show these pricks that we are tired of them refusing to give us a fair contract.As for 700 , get a life and stay off every airlines board !

 

[737823]

Intetnational nomination update
the reform team received 14 white ballot endorsements and only needs 11 more endorsements from the remaining 85 locals. Looks like we will finally have our first international election ever. Once members geta ballot in their hand i think buffenbarger(buffy the union slayer) will lose by a hundred thousand votes. Exciting and positive things for sure.
Alot of hard work for the reformers but if yhry are successful and if half thr iam141 eboard gets cleansed then i will thank delaney for firing me and giving me the time to focus on challenging the intl constitution, successfully, and securing a new intl vote!
Tossing out the international officers is not without reason.
buffy the union slayer has lost 40% of our membership while in office because he is an absolute idiot and management suckup. Because of his incompetence, he had to raise dues to record levels and slash our pension in half.

Yay!!! This is great news Tim. So will Buffy, Roach, and Sito likely decide to "retire" once they are ousted? They have both been around far too long. I wonder what will happen to and all the TWA leaders at DL 142.

I think Karen will be a great leader and go a long way to repair a broken system.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Intetnational nomination update
the reform team received 14 white ballot endorsements and only needs 11 more endorsements from the remaining 85 locals. Looks like we will finally have our first international election ever. Once members geta ballot in their hand i think buffenbarger(buffy the union slayer) will lose by a hundred thousand votes. Exciting and positive things for sure.
Alot of hard work for the reformers but if yhry are successful and if half thr iam141 eboard gets cleansed then i will thank delaney for firing me and giving me the time to focus on challenging the intl constitution, successfully, and securing a new intl vote!

Tossing out the international officers is not without reason.
buffy the union slayer has lost 40% of our membership while in office because he is an absolute idiot and management suckup. Because of his incompetence, he had to raise dues to record levels and slash our pension in half.

Even if Buffy doesn't get the axe, the ability vote sends a HUGE message to the masses.

If Cronk & co. get in, I hope one of the first orders of business is to get rid of the white ballot system.
 
 

And what's with all the time limits on grievances being waived?  I've read Robbedagain on here, being unbelievably patient, talking about his own grievance of 3+ years?  The JAX LC....does he even hear from the grievances filled out? Why does the leadership waive the time limits in the contract....why not enforce the contract we already have?  I mean, yeah I B*tch but there is a helluva lot to B*tch about. Filling out a grievance around here ends up in the Bermuda Triangle and disappears for years!  What is going on?

Right? And I agree; if you win, great, if you go down swinging, so be it- at least there's resolution for the grievant.
 
 

You do realize not waiving the time limits pushes everything to the next stop, so you want everything to end up in arbitration?
 
You do realize that would take years to hear?

I hear ya, but when a company flat out refuses to hear and/or resolve anything either at the local level or first/second step, what does that say? After our merger, they purposely hand sat on everything, so foster the idea that IAM wasn't doing right by the membership. Whose to say that AH isn't following the same playbook?

Just a thought...

 

[roabilly]

CB,
The NC should and will be given the time and opportunity to negotiate a fair Section 6 contract for US Fleet prior to any Transition Agreement negotiations. Let it be known AH and the District leadership anything short of this will be deemed unacceptable and rejected by the membership. If the company and the union are wise they will accept the NC's position regarding the members' expectations. If the company truly wants a seamless and timely merger then it's time to negotiate in good faith and agree to Section 6 terms that have a reasonable chance of being ratified. I believe the NC has delivered this message previously. Maybe the company is "calling" and doubts the credibility of the NC and the resolve of the membership. If that's the case; Whatta you gonna do about it brother and sisters? It's time to get what we came down here for! It's time to stand behind the collective interests our NC is supposed to be fighting for! In the meantime... everyone should work safe; for the company has a "genuine intersest" in your well being. To you CB and the rest of the NC... Carry On! 

Cargo,
 
Congratulations—you are one of only a few on here that actually “get it”! I’ve been reading your replies for over a year, and they remain spot-on! The Membership is responsible for their destiny, and not some quasi-conspiracy!
 
It’s real friggin’ simple folks... if a propsal/tenative is sub-par in your opinion... you VOTE NO!
 
Collectively, the Membership wields more power than the International, and the District combined, regardless of who is in charge!
 
Lock and Load!