2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

Funny thing is I heard during the last week and during the tally Tim left to go on a cruise.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Lol
Inaccurate?? Nah I don't think so!! I think Tim has to say that because someone is letting the US people know how you turn your back to people. You don't want to address things because you know you have said differently on here. Just like last election when you were bashing us for taking a VP position from US out west. But we didn't take a position off the board. We gained a AGC position out west, but you didn't tell anybody that. Now you take two positions off the board for US and all the sudden it's ok. You also don't want to answer about the picks for AGC on education and experience, why?? Is it because you have stated on here many times how important experience and education are, and now your running with people that may not be?? Hmm. Maybe that's why all my other stuff is not worthy of a answer. Maybe you can't spin it away. Tim I have always said, you are your own worst enemy. Once people get to know you they see who you truly are. People see who truly changes. Like I said you flop more times on this board than anyone else. I wish you would get to clt in time for the people that wasn't here when you were before to get to know you before the election. That's probably why your waiting till April, so they can't figure you out before they vote in June.

lol.  Just ridiculousness.  Maybe we can bring this forum back to negotiations topics.  Those are much more interesting than me, wouldn't you say?

 

[Tim Nelson]

As I stated before the ongoing personal attacks, I believe that the negotiation team should allow the processes to work since that seems like the only choice with AH holding his cards and not wanting to reason.  In saying that, there are two labor boards that Obama has, i.e., the NLRB and the NMB.   We have already seen how the IAM's political influence with Obama allowed the NLRB to take the unusual but well welcomed approach against a company when it stood against Boeing and the South Carolina plant.  Likewise, I wouldn't discount the NMB's stance should a single carrier application be forced upon it.  At this point, it is entirely likely that AH is waiting as well on the single carrier application. Why wouldn't he?  Just because the NMB hasn't ruled on the release doesn't mean that it can't use the release to delay a ruling on single carrier. Whatever the case, AH won't have a judge to fall back to unless the TWU refuses to file the release at the 6 month mark. 

 

[ograc]

Unfortunately it's nomination / election season again. Time again for attacking the incumbent leadership team and promises of how great things will be with a new opposition team in place. The frustrated membership bought into the hope for change 6 years ago and voted in new leadership with Delaney's team. Today the in house politics still exist. The frustratingly slow process of contract negotiations still exists. The company's posture of not wanting to give back to the membership still exists. A change in leadership 6 years ago; yet the same challenges exist. The floor is open for opinion on what that should tell us.    

 

[wings396]

It tells me that we still don't have the right group in place. Keeping something status quo just because the new group MAY not be any better, is a poor way of reasoning. I'm willing to keep the revolving door going until we get it right. After all, what do we have to lose at this point? We haven't gained ANY ground in the last 12 years anyway.

 

[700UW]

Ask yourself this, who pushed Delaney and his team in?

Would you trust this person in office or anyone he supports?

 

[P. REZ]

Nah. I realized going up against Delaney's lies was going to be tough going for anyone until his words came to pass. His words have since come to pass as a pack of lies, so only a few, including you, still support him. For sure, time will tell and it's coming quickly but I'm excited for change and it looks like the membership is unified to make this happen and take back our union.  Our union is at the crossroads, and quite honestly, it's hard to see where the union starts and management ends. Especially when our union leaders open up their mouths, it's as if we all hear management mouthpieces. 
 
Everything else you said is inaccurate and honestly not worthy of a response. You have changed indeed.
 
At any rate, I still hold out hope that you will be able to reason with me and unify, for the sake of the membership, instead of nonsensically asking US AIRWAYS members, in the second week of June,  to support candidates that could put our representation at risk due to inherent bylaw rules.  I wish you the best, until then.  Again, to be sure, if your ticket isn't dragging by the second week of June, then I understand, but if you continue supporting undesirable candidates by the time CLT rolls around to vote, even after the outcome is fairly certain, then my hope is that you put the membership first.  Hopefully, by then, you will be the same advocate of US AIRWAYS spots as you portray today and not be a participant to scorch all the US AIRWAYS spots just because you are losing.

Tim,
 
I will support the people who deserve to be supported. What really irritates me about you is that you have been divisive to this group since AW merged with US back in 2005. Why don't you use your energy to be positive and to help people as opposed to dividing them? This Company has got to be laughing all the way to the bank with all this dysfunction.  
 
P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

Unfortunately it's nomination / election season again. Time again for attacking the incumbent leadership team and promises of how great things will be with a new opposition team in place. The frustrated membership bought into the hope for change 6 years ago and voted in new leadership with Delaney's team. Today the in house politics still exist. The frustratingly slow process of contract negotiations still exists. The company's posture of not wanting to give back to the membership still exists. A change in leadership 6 years ago; yet the same challenges exist. The floor is open for opinion on what that should tell us.    

 

It tells me that we still don't have the right group in place. Keeping something status quo just because the new group MAY not be any better, is a poor way of reasoning. I'm willing to keep the revolving door going until we get it right. After all, what do we have to lose at this point? We haven't gained ANY ground in the last 12 years anyway.

At this point, we can be certain that the current leadership has damaged the ramp craft of this industry.  That is undeniable and I use the HAL and UAL contract as our witness. The good thing is that US AIRWAYS rampers still have a chance of change, whereas United and HAL members are presently oppressed under an anti union agreement. US AIRWAYS is up to bat, but those advocating that the IAM141 has seen the error of their ways and that US AIRWAYS ramp will be the "Golden Child" are attempting to mislead.
It's telling that those on our NC endorsed the UA agreement without sweating.  AH smiled at that, im sure and will ask for the same favor. 
 
I think if we focus on the craft in this industry, then it can't be denied that what happens at American is going to dictate future negotiations at United, etc, and determine if the IAM can offer something to get Delta rampers to want to join in.  The union is at the crossroads, and it's hard to see where the union starts and management ends.  When our leaders talk, they sound just like management. 
 
At the end of the day, for those who are satisfied and content with the current environment of our union and its actions, they will vote to keep things the same and continual the insanity.  For those who have hope of something better then the only hope would have to start with change.  I believe we only have one chance at this, so I say we make the most of it.

 

[charlie Brown]

lol.  Just ridiculousness.  Maybe we can bring this forum back to negotiations topics.  Those are much more interesting than me, wouldn't you say?

I thought you agreed to do that yesterday when Ograc asked us to. Then you started it up again. Like I said, I love a good debate. But I can let it go for now. It's football time anyway.

 

[700UW]

Tim,
 
I will support the people who deserve to be supported. What really irritates me about you is that you have been divisive to this group since AW merged with US back in 2005. Why don't you use your energy to be positive and to help people as opposed to dividing them? This Company has got to be laughing all the way to the bank with all this dysfunction.  
 
P. Rez

Because it's all about Tim and his ego and thirst for power that he has never achieved

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ask yourself this, who pushed Delaney and his team in?

Would you trust this person in office or anyone he supports?

Actually, 80%, including me supported and pushed Delaney. Canale wasn't worthy of our US AIRWAYS votes as he ushered in class two pay, seniority cleansing, and an onslaught that was extensive. Just because Delaney has been a disaster doesn't mean that the decision to kick out Canale was wrong.  It wasn't.  CB or MF nominated Delaney and I won't hold that against them.  As with any elected official, just because someone supports someone in the past, doesn't mean that candidate is entitled to your future vote.  Delaney couldn't win the nomination of any US AIRWAYS hub in 2012. That should say something. Canale didn't deserve ANY support from the US AIRWAYS members although he was better for the United members when compared to Delaney.
 

Tim,
 
I will support the people who deserve to be supported. What really irritates me about you is that you have been divisive to this group since AW merged with US back in 2005. Why don't you use your energy to be positive and to help people as opposed to dividing them? This Company has got to be laughing all the way to the bank with all this dysfunction.  
 
P. Rez

Huh? I have been positive and I'm excited for change. And I'm confident that the entire 141 membership is very positive about rebuilding this union from ground zero.  If you can't stand up to Delaney on the UA contract and endorse it, how the heck are you going to stand up to AH?  That's the riddle.  As negative as the United and HAL situation is, and it is negative, I'm proud that the United members have decided to help rebuild this union and clean up the toxic environment that currently exist.  Why shouldn't they?

 

[700UW]

And how many nominations did Delaney get over all and how many did you get?

And you do remember you finished third out of three candidates?

 

[737823]

Poke fun at Tim all you want, but unlike you he makes his position known, praises the IAM when praise is due and criticizes when appropriate. Have you even run for District office? Or were you APPOINTED?

Josh

 

[700UW]

Was never a General Chairman, and I was elected to RS, Trustee and shop steward at the Local Level. The position I held at the District was a non-voting position and not on the E-board, and I attended all of the as DL 142 Communicator.

 

[737823]

Was never a General Chairman, and I was elected to RS, Trustee and shop steward at the Local Level. The position I held at the District was a non-voting position and not on the E-board, and I attended all of the as DL 142 Communicator.

So in other words you were never elected to a district position.

Josh