Tim Nelson
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Oh I doubt I'd be surprised as I fully agree that there are tons of guest. The views will usually go to over 30,000 over a two month time frame which suggest a great deal of fleet service visit this site.mike33 said:
2014 Fleet Service Discussion
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Tim Nelson
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District Officer Nominations start today
I want to encourage all US AIRWAYS members to vote for change. There are two things that we know with certainty, the current officers we have continuously waive off time limits and refuse to enforce our current contract. The result is that we have hundreds and hundreds of grievances that disappear into the Bermuda Triangle and are never heard from again. The contract is clear, time limits apply unless the union waives them off. AH is LHAO as he sits back and can count on the current leadership to not enforce time limits.
Secondly, each of the current US AIRWAYS leaders has fully endorsed the anti union United Airline contract. Many of us, including me, advocated against the United ramp contract because it was a job killer and also risked huge compromise where the active workforce could eventually go to 80%+ part time. Each of these current US AIRWAYS leaders did so because they don't stand up against Delaney. Bottom line. If they can't stand up against Delaney, then how can they stand up against AH?
As a candidate, I will NOT waive off time limits without membership consent, but instead enforce the contract. This will result in quicker resolution or dissolution. Secondly, I will uphold the district bylaws and force a quarterly report to all Local Chairpersons. NONE of the current US AIRWAYS leaders have the stones to go up against Delaney and get the quarterly report over the past 4 years. As bad as Canale was, as a Local Chairman, I always got the quarterly grievance report of all resolutions and dissolutions. I have the stones to make sure our District follows its bylaws and supports Local Chairpersons.
Please visit, www.unifiedforchange.org
And regardless of who you endorse, please go and vote.
I want to encourage all US AIRWAYS members to vote for change. There are two things that we know with certainty, the current officers we have continuously waive off time limits and refuse to enforce our current contract. The result is that we have hundreds and hundreds of grievances that disappear into the Bermuda Triangle and are never heard from again. The contract is clear, time limits apply unless the union waives them off. AH is LHAO as he sits back and can count on the current leadership to not enforce time limits.
Secondly, each of the current US AIRWAYS leaders has fully endorsed the anti union United Airline contract. Many of us, including me, advocated against the United ramp contract because it was a job killer and also risked huge compromise where the active workforce could eventually go to 80%+ part time. Each of these current US AIRWAYS leaders did so because they don't stand up against Delaney. Bottom line. If they can't stand up against Delaney, then how can they stand up against AH?
As a candidate, I will NOT waive off time limits without membership consent, but instead enforce the contract. This will result in quicker resolution or dissolution. Secondly, I will uphold the district bylaws and force a quarterly report to all Local Chairpersons. NONE of the current US AIRWAYS leaders have the stones to go up against Delaney and get the quarterly report over the past 4 years. As bad as Canale was, as a Local Chairman, I always got the quarterly grievance report of all resolutions and dissolutions. I have the stones to make sure our District follows its bylaws and supports Local Chairpersons.
Please visit, www.unifiedforchange.org
And regardless of who you endorse, please go and vote.
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If that were the case-- I wouldn't be endorsing posters like Cargo (ograc) who is often critical of the Leadership. Cargo is well informed, and actually participates in the process of being a devoted trade unionist. If, and when does dissent, it’s for good solid educated reasons. He is not a political pawn...cltrat said:
How times have you seen him parrot Nelson?
Jester
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Bob,
I raised that same concern regarding US fleet working AA metal in PHX on this board, and how I found it to be offensive as AA FSAs were furloughed from PHX. For the record, I still feel that way.
However, there wasn't any "back room deal"... there wasn't any need for such secretive shenanigans, but rather simple legal maneuvering. Management has the contractual authority to bid FSAs to various other aircraft operations as a contractor, as we have handled British Airways, Allegiant, Continental, etc. ground operations in the past.
AA was using ATS as its contractor during the bankruptcy, and could have even requested US to bid for services during that time then too (although I have no idea if it was actually offered). So during the merger process AA Management agreed to use US FSAs with US Management approval as a contractor, until there is one fleet service work group. As financially they are one company, US could offer its services for a very low price which "saved" AA a lot of money, which in reality is just a wash. If the combined Management thought having AA operations on the US side of the airport, and using US FSAs as the best method, then a simple bid for services was the way without having to hire back AA FSAs.
Trust me... there are a lot of US agents who were furloughed out of LAS about 4 years ago, and they would love to swap positions with AA PHX agents based in LAS, when the time comes to have a single union. Since we are on the topic, what's the LAS break down in terms of seniority of full-time and part-time and lowest hire date in each group?
I raised that same concern regarding US fleet working AA metal in PHX on this board, and how I found it to be offensive as AA FSAs were furloughed from PHX. For the record, I still feel that way.
However, there wasn't any "back room deal"... there wasn't any need for such secretive shenanigans, but rather simple legal maneuvering. Management has the contractual authority to bid FSAs to various other aircraft operations as a contractor, as we have handled British Airways, Allegiant, Continental, etc. ground operations in the past.
AA was using ATS as its contractor during the bankruptcy, and could have even requested US to bid for services during that time then too (although I have no idea if it was actually offered). So during the merger process AA Management agreed to use US FSAs with US Management approval as a contractor, until there is one fleet service work group. As financially they are one company, US could offer its services for a very low price which "saved" AA a lot of money, which in reality is just a wash. If the combined Management thought having AA operations on the US side of the airport, and using US FSAs as the best method, then a simple bid for services was the way without having to hire back AA FSAs.
Trust me... there are a lot of US agents who were furloughed out of LAS about 4 years ago, and they would love to swap positions with AA PHX agents based in LAS, when the time comes to have a single union. Since we are on the topic, what's the LAS break down in terms of seniority of full-time and part-time and lowest hire date in each group?
Tim Nelson
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I think we need to be careful of any helping hand agreements that dilute our leverage and increase 'seamlessness'. It's unfortunate if sAA FSC were furloughed but their leadership pushed a TA that wiped out tens and tens of stations. They can't blame the IAM on that.Jester said:
mike33
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If i write anything it will be the line that crosses out the names of the current regime if they don't use the leverage this merger has produced for them. That is an extreme that i don't think ill have to go to though. My point is that the NMB is Gov. The Congress and Senators are Gov. They only wrote to secure jobs for their constituents and their portfolio's They could care less how your contract neg are going as long as you have a job and are paying taxes.
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Negotiations: Industry Update
As our NC decided to support AH's idea that somehow US AIRWAYS fleet service isn't worth the same wage rate as AMR at DOS, other airlines continue to advance far beyond the oppressed and industry losing wages negotiated at US AIRWAYS. Alaska airline COPS [ticket agents] will have wages up to $25.00 built in by the end of their contract [not great but I post as a matter of information].
Delta Airline continues to advance the wages and benefits of their non union employees with the announcement of another 3% pay raise effective this April. That wage will take them up to $24.46 including longevity. Toss in another $1.59 for lead, and shift differ up to .52. Delta employees also enjoy the best profit sharing plan in the industry as each ramper will net thousands of dollars in the profit sharing checks coming out shortly. Unfortunately, the current US AIRWAYS leaders and the entire IAM141 eboard agreed to endorse cutting the profit sharing at United, and of course other IAM members at US AIRWAYS are treated like dogs as the previous IAM leadership supported AH in abolishing your profit sharing altogether even though all other work groups participate in it.
Our union is at a crossroads. We have a chance to make change. Gone should be the days where our leadership D8cks around begging to eventually 'catch up' with bankrupt AMR wages, and IN should be the days where our NC listens to the membership and ask for competitive wage rates. Of course, scope is above all but wages need to be far north of AMR in any TA. Asking for a blending over 3 years is retarded, anti union, yet typical of how the previous lacky negotiators did the westies.
Our peeps have been ABUSED! Not even one freakn fair wage increase in the last two years. Asking for $24+ is fair to cover the past two years and the present predicament. AMR will be at $23.00 this year and that is a bankrupt agreement. Hell, their leads are at an additional $1.75
And the current contract is not being enforced with hundreds of grievances stuck in the Bermuda triangle as our leaders waive off time limits. And they don't even comply with the bylaws and give our Local Chairpersons a quarterly grievance report with closeouts of resolutions and dissolutions AS OUR BYLAWS SAY!
As our NC decided to support AH's idea that somehow US AIRWAYS fleet service isn't worth the same wage rate as AMR at DOS, other airlines continue to advance far beyond the oppressed and industry losing wages negotiated at US AIRWAYS. Alaska airline COPS [ticket agents] will have wages up to $25.00 built in by the end of their contract [not great but I post as a matter of information].
Delta Airline continues to advance the wages and benefits of their non union employees with the announcement of another 3% pay raise effective this April. That wage will take them up to $24.46 including longevity. Toss in another $1.59 for lead, and shift differ up to .52. Delta employees also enjoy the best profit sharing plan in the industry as each ramper will net thousands of dollars in the profit sharing checks coming out shortly. Unfortunately, the current US AIRWAYS leaders and the entire IAM141 eboard agreed to endorse cutting the profit sharing at United, and of course other IAM members at US AIRWAYS are treated like dogs as the previous IAM leadership supported AH in abolishing your profit sharing altogether even though all other work groups participate in it.
Our union is at a crossroads. We have a chance to make change. Gone should be the days where our leadership D8cks around begging to eventually 'catch up' with bankrupt AMR wages, and IN should be the days where our NC listens to the membership and ask for competitive wage rates. Of course, scope is above all but wages need to be far north of AMR in any TA. Asking for a blending over 3 years is retarded, anti union, yet typical of how the previous lacky negotiators did the westies.
Our peeps have been ABUSED! Not even one freakn fair wage increase in the last two years. Asking for $24+ is fair to cover the past two years and the present predicament. AMR will be at $23.00 this year and that is a bankrupt agreement. Hell, their leads are at an additional $1.75
And the current contract is not being enforced with hundreds of grievances stuck in the Bermuda triangle as our leaders waive off time limits. And they don't even comply with the bylaws and give our Local Chairpersons a quarterly grievance report with closeouts of resolutions and dissolutions AS OUR BYLAWS SAY!
Tim Nelson
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Carry on. I'm not the one waiving off all the grievance time limits and violating our bylaws by refusing to give our Local Chairpersons quarterly grievance reports. I'm not the one who endorsed the United contract and then claimed "I never read it since it really doesn't apply to US AIRWAYS". Your establishment boys did all of that and they have themselves to blame. In fact, Roabily and others [I think PJ] reported that the current US AIRWAYS eboard members never endorsed the United TA. Now, all the US AIRWAYS leaders were rooted out and had to 'fess up' that they did in fact endorse it.700UW said:
Keep lying 700. Just pointing to the scoreboard!
Do you realize its like that with EVERY union group on the property.
You dont waive time limits, what happens?
It goes to the next step, and it all ends up in arbitration, creating even more of a backlog.
Do you actually think things out before you post?
Explain how you are going to get AH and his gang respond to you?
You cant, its been this way for over 20 years at US, its not just ramp, its all unionized groups.
You dont waive time limits, what happens?
It goes to the next step, and it all ends up in arbitration, creating even more of a backlog.
Do you actually think things out before you post?
Explain how you are going to get AH and his gang respond to you?
You cant, its been this way for over 20 years at US, its not just ramp, its all unionized groups.
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I'm not concerned with other work groups but I do agree that unions have been comfortable just waiving off time limits. I said what I said, and it is carefully considered. No, not everything goes to arbitrations if you don't waive off limits. As you know, some grievances have no merit. If we enforce time limits, then it forces the local management to respect the Local Chairperson a lot more instead of blowing things off and hoping the AGC waives off time limits. At any rate, dissolving grievances without merit needs to happen as well. The AGC is charged with writing out close out letters dissolving grievances with no merit. The alternative is to jerk off the member and bury the grievance in wonderland and never dissolve it. For grievances with merit, you arbitrate. The district has millions of dollars and if a grievance has merit then I really honestly don't know of any other thing to do other than arbitrate and attempt to win it. If the union had the stones to do that, then maybe there wouldn't be a 'grievance wasteland'.700UW said:
THe present clip of scheduling a few dozen arbitration cases, in total, for United, HAL, AA, number a few dozen, but then they don't carry through with actual arbitrations except for maybe 5 or 6 total awards each year. That's moronic and insulting. Arbitrate the damn cases and stop F the membership. That's why we have a F UNION TO ARBITRATE!
Yes, I know it's been this way for 20 years, but YES, I can change it. And I will with the support of the membership. We don't have anyone with the stones to challenge Delaney internally. We need to make this happen. With the support of the membership, I'll be in for 4 years and won't have to worry about politics in two years. I have a lot of cleaning up to do and hopefully after the 4 year term I can retire and hand it off to an up and comer who can keep it pure and clean. Things are rotten to the core right now with insanity and ignorance.
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OH...OK...Wave the white flag then?......F*** that.!!.. It has to start somewhere / sometime....Now is just as good a time as any !!!!!!700UW said:
DONT WORRY...THIS IS NOT YOUR FIGHT!!!! You won't have to explain anything when all is said and done!
How is it waiving the white flag?
If you dont waive the time limits it moves the grievance to the next step, first step,second step and third step are all controlled by the company, immediate supervisor, then manager, then labor relations. So the company moves it up to mediation, then arbitration.
So it would create an even bigger backlog, now wont it?
Its the reality of the system, that needs to be changed.
You have one labor relations department, they handle all the unionized groups, USAPA, AFA, CWA/IBT, IAM and TWU, plus they handle all contract negotiations, the system is designed for failure.
I asked a legitimate question, if adhering the time limits moves it to the next step, then everything ends up in arbitration or withdrawn, how does that solve the issue?
If you dont waive the time limits it moves the grievance to the next step, first step,second step and third step are all controlled by the company, immediate supervisor, then manager, then labor relations. So the company moves it up to mediation, then arbitration.
So it would create an even bigger backlog, now wont it?
Its the reality of the system, that needs to be changed.
You have one labor relations department, they handle all the unionized groups, USAPA, AFA, CWA/IBT, IAM and TWU, plus they handle all contract negotiations, the system is designed for failure.
I asked a legitimate question, if adhering the time limits moves it to the next step, then everything ends up in arbitration or withdrawn, how does that solve the issue?
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