2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[roabilly]

lol you're going to say your not a puppet because of a poster you endorse?

lol that's funny there you should considered doing stand up since you're retired and don't work under any of this anymore so face it, you don't have a dog in the fight unless what I questioned you on earlier is indeed true.

I called you a puppet because anything the leadership tells you or does is good and not to be questioned.
That UA agreement you like to say has nothing to do with US , has everything to do with us.
Once US/AA goes to joint talks what do you think ole AH will have in his hand?
Yep that very same UA agreement. The one Klemm, Bartz ,Lehive and yes Delaney agreed to.
If you truly think otherwise then we have nothing else to say here.

In case you haven't noticed-- he's more than a "poster"... he's active in the Union as GCC.. he has ran on opposing tickets to Delaney... he does not spew ridiculous rants about everyone being a liar except himself. Further, I spent years promoting an organized group for Fleet because we were getting hammered while organized groups stayed intact... remember the early 90's?
 
So yes... I've got a dog in the fight... as a retired member, I have voting rights. I logged years, and countless hours of MY time as a union representative, and I'm not about to let them go to waste. How much time do you have invested in member representation?

 

[Tim Nelson]

It forces the union to drop many grievances that arent worthy of arbitration, it costs the union tons of money and resources and takes away the GCs and AGCs from negotiating CBAs.
 
You really have no idea.
 
Most case take two years to finally be heard, how are you going to change it?

Most AGC"s are not negotiating.  What are you talking about?  Please tell us exactly what most AGC's are doing for 40 hours a week?  I worked at the District and I can tell you that most sit on their collective arses at home. But it's their job so stop your Bit&^. 
And stop with the "WIll bankrupt the union stuff".   You are unintelligent or are being intellectually dishonest. STOP IT.  Stop insulting my intelligence.

 

[mike33]

To find a way i guess 
 

You, my post was right after yours.

Just cause you couldn't find a way to beat them doesn't mean i can't . Time will tell but lets get back to how we procure $$ and work rules and scope and retro from this company.. Thats whats really important. 

 

[700UW]

You still havent said how you would accomplish anything by forcing everything to arbitration which would actually delay the process even more.
 
Funny in my years out there, the GCs and AGCs were on the road five days a week.
 
During my full time assignment for DL 142, I was on the road quite often especially in regard to IAM FAs at CO.
 
You are the one who has no clue. you were the one who was fired from DL 141, you are the one who tried to start your own union several times only to fail.
 
You were the one tried for dual unionism and removed from office.
 
You were the one who filed short on cards letting the company screw the non-union employees in the blood bath of 92.

You are the one who the TWU has written letters about during your raids.
 
You are the one who pushed for Delaney and now you turn your back on those who you got elected and blame them for all the problems.
 
Look in the mirror.
 
Shall I keep going?

 

[737823]

You still havent said how you would accomplish anything by forcing everything to arbitration which would actually delay the process even more.
 
Funny in my years out there, the GCs and AGCs were on the road five days a week.
 
During my full time assignment for DL 142, I was on the road quite often especially in regard to IAM FAs at CO.
 
You are the one who has no clue. you were the one who was fired from DL 141, you are the one who tried to start your own union several times only to fail.
 
You were the one tried for dual unionism and removed from office.
 
You were the one who filed short on cards letting the company screw the non-union employees in the blood bath of 92.

You are the one who the TWU has written letters about during your raids.
 
You are the one who pushed for Delaney and now you turn your back on those who you got elected and blame them for all the problems.
 
Look in the mirror.
 
Shall I keep going?

Prove your accusations. Tim speaks the truth he educated the membership about the disastrous UA agreement you on the other hand keep defending it saying "the membership approved it". Again how many district level positions have you been elected to?

Glass house.

Josh

 

[700UW]

I dont have to prove anything to you.
 
All the points have been proven numerous times on here.
 
Gee what a surprise Josh comes to timmy's defense.
 
And the thread is not about me, its about fleet and replying to Tim's posts.
 
Not you.
 
Learn to read and comprehend:
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/27043-iam-twu-election-tim-nelson/
 
http://www.labornet.org/news/0404/biddle.htm

 

[737823]

😱fftopic

Josh

 

[charlie Brown]

I hope everyone on here realizes it's election time. And that certain people are going to tell you exactly what you want to here because they will say or do anything to get that 6 figure job. For instance 25.00 hour Alaska airlines. And how we should make at least that. And yet scope is the biggest issue. Well check out Alaska Airlines scope, then you may understand why they make 25.00. Anyone that wants to know what's really going on in negotiations can call the following number and we will tell you as much as possible. Don't believe what is being put on this site by certain individuals just to sound good and get a vote. All I can do is warn you and tell you what I can officially tell you. If you want to believe someone thats going to tell you half truths, and the only half that he knows you want to here, then so be it. 704-359-3350.

 

[AANOTOK]

For the life of me, I can't figure out why I don't get that lovey-dovey, camaraderie, brothership, teamwork type atmosphere when I stop by this forum...I'm puzzled I tell ya... B)

 

[charlie Brown]

As far as our grievance procedure goes. It is messed up, it didn't get messed up overnight, and sure won't get fixed overnight. There are many reasons for this, which I won't talk about all of them, but I do want to mention this one. In 2008 like I said in a earlier post, there were people put in positions that were way over their heads. Things got back logged really bad. Like I said, this isn't the only reason. I'm not talking about just a few grievances. I'm talking hundreds system wide. The last couple of years we have been digging ourself out of this backlog and doing a pretty good job. Yes there are those that are just inexcusable like in Ograc and robbeds cases. But hopefully those are getting addressed soon. But this is all the more reason why you have to put people in office that can do the job with experience. That IMO is the biggest reason things got behind. So now lets not start over. Let's learn from our past mistakes. Let's not be ignorant. Everyone needs to care about the experience people have that you vote in these positions. I've seen it first hand, I know what inexperience people will do.

 

[700UW]

You can thank Tim for Mike Crowell, the M.I.A. AGC who dissapearted with files and Frank O'Donnell,  All Timmy's guys.

 

[necigrad]

In LAS we have PHX people that have been here over a year and are P##### off that US people are working our stuff. Is this one of those back room deals done behind closed doors? Whats going on here??

 
What Jester says (below) is nuts on accurate.  Your scope determines that PHX meets the threshold to be contracted out.  That means AA will contract it out.  AA has contracted (or will contract, dunno which) US.  In this case US is no different that having DGS or someone else doing the work.  US is simply another company.  Yeah, it certianly appears to have a certain odor, but there's no shenanigans like you're thinking.
 

Bob,
 
I raised that same concern regarding US fleet working AA metal in PHX on this board, and how I found it to be offensive as AA FSAs were furloughed from PHX.  For the record, I still feel that way.
 
However, there wasn't any "back room deal"... there wasn't any need for such secretive shenanigans, but rather simple legal maneuvering.  Management has the contractual authority to bid FSAs to various other aircraft operations as a contractor, as we have handled British Airways, Allegiant, Continental, etc. ground operations in the past.
 
AA was using ATS as its contractor during the bankruptcy, and could have even requested US to bid for services during that time then too (although I have no idea if it was actually offered).  So during the merger process AA Management agreed to use US FSAs with US Management approval as a contractor, until there is one fleet service work group.

 

[necigrad]

what's the LAS break down in terms of seniority of full-time and part-time and lowest hire date in each group?

 
FT 69 low DOH 9/3/97
PT 31 low DOH 11/29/99

 

[Tim Nelson]

As far as our grievance procedure goes. It is messed up, it didn't get messed up overnight, and sure won't get fixed overnight. There are many reasons for this, which I won't talk about all of them, but I do want to mention this one. In 2008 like I said in a earlier post, there were people put in positions that were way over their heads. Things got back logged really bad. Like I said, this isn't the only reason. I'm not talking about just a few grievances. I'm talking hundreds system wide. The last couple of years we have been digging ourself out of this backlog and doing a pretty good job. Yes there are those that are just inexcusable like in Ograc and robbeds cases. But hopefully those are getting addressed soon. But this is all the more reason why you have to put people in office that can do the job with experience. That IMO is the biggest reason things got behind. So now lets not start over. Let's learn from our past mistakes. Let's not be ignorant. Everyone needs to care about the experience people have that you vote in these positions. I've seen it first hand, I know what inexperience people will do.

Lol
Experience?  How many years are you going to blame on Canale for hundreds of grievances?  Sorry CB but you guys had 6 years to clean this crap up. Yes, it's election time and you have been blowing so much smoke up everyone's arse and doing the exact things you claimed you never would.  Tell us about the Alaska COPS agreement please?  And they got a retroactive as well.  Please don't give up retro.
What I have done is provided information about the industry but you clowns use the information I provide and claim politics but don't provide ANY information about the industry.  Our members have every right to know what is happening in the industry and you damn sure aren't telling them.  Yes, Delta does make what I said, and guess what, they are in 43 stations as well and have 17 cargo centers and their profit sharing is going to kick arse.  And you clowns don't even want to use arbitration as you 'sort through' the grievance graveyard you guys don't know how to get out of.  Sorry, you guys haven 't done  D*ck.  Enough is enough. 
I know what you clowns proposed in December.  Tell everyone how you proposed something that isn't even what AMR is at DOS?  LMAO.   Blow smoke up everyone's butt Mark.  You have been good at that lately. You guys are bums.   And you flip flopped on United TA. Previously you told PJ that you didn't endorse that TA.  Lately you said you did and said you did so because you were fearful of management.  Which is it?  LMAO.  At any rate, since you can't stand up to Delaney, it is obvious you don't have the stones to stand up to AH.  Endorsing the anti union United TA is worse than refusing to sign a IBT card for me back when we were non union in '86 and the former USair 4 stations needed your support.  Nice Job Mark.  BTW, your team couldn't even read the nomination right today in ORD as they screwed up S Miller's nomination.  But, we allowed them to redo the nomination so everyone could run.  Didn't matter though.  Your boy Bartz didn't have one store keeper show up and support him. LMAO.
 
Keep running your "Contract Now" tour as you guys have your fingers up your arses and don't know what the hell to do. Stop Bull S everyone about the single carrier application that the TWU has to file in 6 months.  STOP IT!
 
You want to shut me up, then you better damn well bring back more scope and at LEAST what AMR makes at DOS OR don't bring nothing back at all.   You play games with this membership and get dopey little Cinderella drop dead dates without extending scope to include all current stations, and can't get what AMR makes in wages at DOS then my hope is that the membership POUNDS you into representational retirement.

 

[charlie Brown]

Wow
Sounds like you had a bad night or something. I was trying to post and make a statement without saying you, but now you come back and stir it up. So now do I get to come back at you without being accused of picking on Timmy?? You don't have a clue of what your talking about. Please prove me wrong and you right and back up your post. Please post and show everyone where I said you were wrong about Delta. Or where I ever stated I endorsed the UA agreement because I was afraid of management. And show me where I even mentioned Canale. Here are some facts for ya. The 2 people that was put in place in 2008 that has killed this membership was recommended by you. They killed us because you didn't find out anything about them before you jumped. Now your doing the exact same thing this time. What's the word for doing the same thing and expecting different results??? I think the word is insanity. And what's it matter that they did the ballot wrong for our US air brother S Miller? Your trying to replace him anyway with a UA guy right? Gee that was awful nice of ya, since your throwing the US guys under the bus anyway. I said for people to find out what Alaskas scope is Tim. Do you care to tell them?? No I'm sure you don't. Nor will you care to post any of the post I ask you to just now. Why? Because it will let everyone see on here who the real phony really is. Ok now go call all you buddies to post on here to quit picking on Timmy.
Carry on.