2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

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[mike33]

and my question still is when are they going to release the info to the members? we are all adults we can read for ourselves then if we need "clarification" then we will ask i lost patience this morning when i woke up and its been a week and still no language..  

................. " Big Wednesday "  !

 

[Tim Nelson]

So it's ok for you to attack, insult, lie and call other posters names, yet it's not ok when they call you out?

Hey, I'm the baby face!  C'mon maaaannnnn
 
I just don't want anyone to be angry about the IAM getting what appears to be a good contract.  Language will tell but I think most of us are fairly optimistic about it.  I just think that weAAsles should focus on his own union. I'm sorry that the TWU refused to allow them to vote on the TWU tossing out their profit sharing.  Like the IAM or not, at least the members decide.

 

[blue collar]

theres a difference we are out of negotiations they are out of the confidentiality agreement they can keep us informed now, what you were complaining about they legally couldnt tell you things 
 
thats the difference and thats why you got blasted good job keeping up 

Confidentiality agreement is a weak argument. Those only cover certain things, not negotiations as a whole, and that's why they don't keep you informed. Good job falling in line.

 

[700UW]

I have to agree with Blue, I was on the NC and one of my tasks was to put out the daily updates on what happened.
 
Most of the time, nothing really happened, but the handcuffs were placed on us by the Grand Lodge.
 
But we never agreed on anything with the company, so there wasnt information to put out except that.
 
But the IAM does need to do a better job at communicating with its members, at least I did and tried while I was there.
 
1725 was in the forefront of communication and I steered DL 142 into the same direction.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Confidentiality agreement is a weak argument. Those only cover certain things, not negotiations as a whole, and that's why they don't keep you informed. Good job falling in line.

The IAM really could use more openness. The confidentiality excuse only covers a couple things as you said.  Even now, nothing is keeping them from putting the TA online.  The language has been completed and the LC are going to review it.  It's a style that I don't agree with. 

 

[NYer]

Geez, nothing against TWU but your contract is terrible. It is a bankrupt contract and if there is anything you have in your contract that is good but not in ours then that will be sad. None of us want to be placed in another bankrupt contract, and that is what your contract is.  Your scope blows as the  TWU wiped out most stations for you, and you guys didn't even have a chance to vote on tossing your profit sharing away, whether you wanted to or not.  At least the IAM has voting rights, and if the IAM did get scope for 1 flight a day for all stations with no penalty language then it will be worth to consider voting yes on.

It was made perfectly clear to the TWU that profit sharing moving forward was an endangered species being that all, or most groups, in US receive it except the IAM. That prospect of a potential profit sharing check was turned into the reality of an immediate 4.7% raise. That was a good trade especially since the agreement was made with a management team that at that point wasn't under any legal obligation to make such an agreement.

 

[Tim Nelson]

It was made perfectly clear to the TWU that profit sharing moving forward was an endangered species being that all, or most groups, in US receive it except the IAM. That prospect of a potential profit sharing check was turned into the reality of an immediate 4.7% raise. That was a good trade especially since the agreement was made with a management team that at that point wasn't under any legal obligation to make such an agreement.

It sure would have been nice for the members to make that choice with a vote, though, yes?  Thankfully, the IAM constitution doesn't allow the leaders to decide what is best without a vote. And the association preserves that from what I understand so, I would think that the TWU members will finally be able to welcome democracy on contract changes.

 

[PHXConx]

I know, right?  It's only a 150-pages of legal English spanning 30 articles and dictating hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation and benefits for thousands of employees.  What could possibly be time consuming about preparing that?  It only took me like 10 seconds to accept the user agreement for iTunes and these guys have had a whole week!
 
Being baggage handlers we're expert enough in contract law to know that the only logical reason it's taking this long is spite and laziness.  They just don't care about us.  However I'm sure if we keep stamping our feet and calling them names and whining about it on the internet they'll start working a lot faster...

Yes cause because at this point in our lives we chucked bags. Does not mean we always did. But hey..not all of us are stupid rampers our entire lives.. Thanks for showing how much you think of your fellow workers.

I've worked with retired doctors lawyers one ex NFL player. Various college graduates there is a guy in the bag room with 3 doctorates written 3 peer reviewed studies and a book.. But because we chuck bags we are all characters in "the ringer" ding fries are done bitches!

We know that NC members come here.. And voicing our opinion here gets heard more than calling P REZ. who has suddenly become silent.. so our getting on the "Internet and stomping our feet" has a purpose. If you actually believed your diatribe. Then you shouldn't even be here. If our posts serve no purpose what's the point of you denigrating the effort we put forth?

I think Timmy was right and after the election all of a sudden the 16 lawyer monkeys they have in a room will suddenly spring forth with language.. It will be a miracle..

Thanks for coming out.

 

[NYer]

It sure would have been nice for the members to make that choice with a vote, though, yes?  Thankfully, the IAM constitution doesn't allow the leaders to decide what is best without a vote. And the association preserves that from what I understand so, I would think that the TWU members will finally be able to welcome democracy on contract changes.

That wasn't a contractual item to vote on. It was an agreement with another company that certainly benefitted the Membership and even the current IAM Members since the pay rates were brought to our current rates. Try as you may to misdirected the conversation, the facts remain facts.

 

[700UW]

You didnt make an agreement with another company, you made an agreement with AA.
 
US doesnt employ you nor do they have the authority under the RLA to have you work under a CBA.

 

[Tim Nelson]

That wasn't a contractual item to vote on. It was an agreement with another company that certainly benefitted the Membership and even the current IAM Members since the pay rates were brought to our current rates. Try as you may to misdirected the conversation, the facts remain facts.

Oh, of course it wasn't a item to vote on.  I think you guys will feel more liberation once such items become voting items as they are in the IAM.

 

[PHXConx]

Also I'm not saying lawyers shouldn't look at it.. Or take their time. I do want this done right but keeping us informed isn't asking too much.

the lawyers can't change the language already negotiated. They can't change a thing without taking it back to the company for renegotiation.

All they are doing is compiling a list of differences.

So saying or implying baggage handlers aren't qualified is not only demeaning but an oversimplification. I mean if it's so difficult why was the NC compiled of baggage handlers in the first place. Why are we having information meetings with the negotiations committee and not lawyers. Did they learn by osmosis just sitting next to the lawyers.?

I think the most time consuming will be printing this out. But I can do that at home. Post it online let the membership get acquainted with the language if the vote is as rumored going to be the 18th We have 3 weeks and 3 days to fully understand it. If there are surprises the nc is not giving itself time to smooth them over..

 

[NYer]

You didnt make an agreement with another company, you made an agreement with AA.
 
US doesnt employ you nor do they have the authority under the RLA to have you work under a CBA.

The agreement or Memorandum of Understanding was made with US Airways management.

 

[PHXConx]

It was made perfectly clear to the TWU that profit sharing moving forward was an endangered species being that all, or most groups, in US receive it except the IAM. That prospect of a potential profit sharing check was turned into the reality of an immediate 4.7% raise. That was a good trade especially since the agreement was made with a management team that at that point wasn't under any legal obligation to make such an agreement.

And because they were under no legal obligation to make it.. What makes you think they are under a legal obligation to keep their promise?