2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[mike33]

Finally a statement that makes since about the eboard endorsing the UA contract. So now I'll respond to that. We at US have been in negotiations for 2 1/2 years now. I feel the negotiating team knows what are members expect and need. The current UA members on the board don't keep up with the US members as far as negotiations. I would expect as well as the rest of the team would expect, when we finally bring a T/a out for our members if the US board members state that this is it and we approve of it, to get the full endorsement of the UA team. I would be pretty upset if we didn't, especially since the UA guys never took part in our negotiations. They expected and got the same thing from the US guys, when they brought their T/a out. So you are exactly correct Ograc with what you stated.

  I'll play the advocate and say that Tims statement referring to endorsing  the UA TA was inaccurate. It insinuates it as being a management TA and thats the fork tongue....

 

[700UW]

members were denied a reasonable time to vote. Thats a huge accomplishment bringing the intl to compliance and securing reasonableness. Getting an election at the intl is quite an accomplishment to be a part of. I was joking about batman, but honestly, these guys just dont listen and instead of working with me and the membership, they get stubborn and work more deeply with management but dont know it.
Yes i was stripped but the the iam assigned me to a greater position so i couldnt have been as bad as you say.
at any rate, one thing has eluded me and that is to be working under a fair contract. Thats the prize for me and my people but i will not tolerate those who have their heads up their arses and propose dopey two year agreements that will have my peeps hungry again.

Have you not even read the decision?
 
No the members were not denied the right to vote, read it again!
 

 
On August 15, 2013, the Department entered into a voluntary compliance agreement with the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM), located in Upper Marlboro, Md., concerning the 2013 election of international officers.  The IAM agreed to conduct new nominations and a new election, if necessary, for the offices of international president, general secretary-treasurer and eight general vice presidents under OLMS supervision prior to June 2014.  The investigation disclosed that the union failed to provide notice of nomination to the membership regarding the nomination of international officers, local lodges did not provide notice of their nomination meetings to all members, and members were denied a reasonable opportunity to nominate candidates when some members were working at the time of the nomination meeting and/or endorsement vote and no alternative method of nomination was provided.  The agreement follows an investigation by the OLMS Washington District Office.
 
 
 

You are the ultimate spin master, you and Josh are two peas on a pod.

 

[roabilly]

Thank you for the kind words ROA. I have been an active union member for most of my 34 year career in the industry with sUSAir, sUS Airways. I have continued to serve the membership through many changes in leadership. All the way back to the VH days. I have always tried to be diplomatic and respectful toward the members' feelings, frustrations and opinions. Although I have not always agreed with the opinions and subsequent hollow campaign promises through the years, I have always tried to respect the wishes of the membership; through the leadership election process. The questions are; Are we, as a collective membership, better off now than we were 6 years ago, when we voted in a new leadership team? Have we learned that campaign promises are easy to make but can be challenging to fullfill? Have we learned who the real enemies to our collective future livelihoods' are? Until we learn from past mistakes we will be destined to repeat them. Kinda like a mindless hamster on the treadmill. On this course it's no wonder the company is not impressed or intimidated. We are truly at a crossroads. It's time this membership wakes up before they get run over by the "New American" and their corporate greed. A continual divided membership is repeatedly conquered. Are there candidates who have a history of division among the membership? The floor is open to opinion and debate.

Here is how I see it...
 
Prior to joining the IAM, we were getting outsourced, stripped of seniority rights, forced to accept part-time, forced to accept pay reductions, and getting fired without just cause. All of this took place as represented groups kept their jobs, and were awarded contractual raises along with career advancement by seniority...
 
After becoming a represented group, these travesties were arrested and reversed until the following...
 
The Company used a legal tactic (Twice) with Corporate Bankruptcy laws designed to crush Organized Labor.
 
We are now finally in the end game of section 6 talks outside of BK, and there are those that want to change leadership yet again at this critical time. They claim to base their motives on wanting to facilitate the process of asserting a better agreement than those that are currently holding office could obtain...
 
So... YES-- there are those on here that actually WANT to divide the Membership...
 
As to WHY... anyone with reasonable intelligence could figure that out!
 
Double Down... Lock -N- Load!
 
P.S. Are you running this time? if so who is on your ticket?
 
P.S.S. I remember VH... he would be screamin' SHUT UM DOWN!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Here is how I see it...
 
Prior to joining the IAM, we were getting outsourced, stripped of seniority rights, forced to accept part-time, forced to accept pay reductions, and getting fired without just cause. All of this took place as represented groups kept their jobs, and were awarded contractual raises along with career advancement by seniority...
 
After becoming a represented group, these travesties were arrested and reversed until the following...
 
The Company used a legal tactic (Twice) with Corporate Bankruptcy laws designed to crush Organized Labor.
 
We are now finally in the end game of section 6 talks outside of BK, and there are those that want to change leadership yet again at this critical time. They claim to base their motives on wanting to facilitate the process of asserting a better agreement than those that are currently holding office could obtain...
 
So... YES-- there are those on here that actually WANT to divide the Membership...
 
As to WHY... anyone with reasonable intelligence could figure that out!
 
Double Down... Lock -N- Load!
 
P.S. Are you running this time? if so who is on your ticket?
 
P.S.S. I remember VH... he would be screamin' SHUT UM DOWN!

you see it as a retire.  You don't give a crap that your boys proposed a TA in December that didn't bring US AIRWAYS members up to sAA bankrupt wages at DOS.  Remember, most airline rampers in this industry are north of $24. American is only at $22.57 right now.  And these idiots offered a wage that is far less than that. 

 

[700UW]

Since you arent part of the Negotiating Committee nor has the IAM put out anything what you say, where are you getting your bogus information?
 
Seems AH has his puppet strings attached to you.
 
Nice that you call the people you helped put in office idiots.
 
You have done more damage to your own coworkers for over 20 years.
 
Funny how you only stir crap around contract time, then you go into hiding again.
 
You lead the drive to oust Canale, and get Delaney, Mike Crowell (who went missing in action and screwed CLT and all his stations) and Frankie O who has dropped the ball on grievances and arbitrations, yet you blame everyone but yourself.
 
Your FSWU, AGW, and your other things you tried to start divides the membership, oh wait, I forgot its all about Tim.
 
And your filing short on cards for Fleet lead directly to the blood bath of 92.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Oops another change the question!! Seriously, are you ok??

Mark,
1. You did in fact endorse the United contract.
2. You did in fact support the December proposal to AH which coughed up our wages to a level below sAA at DOS.
3. You continue to offer no stones to Delaney, as him and all of you continue to waive off time limits of our grievance procedure which, in turn, toss grievances into the growing grievance wasteland. Stop blaming Canale for the current mess of hundreds if not thousands of grievances that YOU GUYS have NOT resolved.  Filing a grievance is like sending it to the Bermuda Triangle with you guys, the grievances disappear forever.
4. You continue to violate our district bylaws by refusing to give out quarterly grievance reports to the Local Chairpersons, and have done so ever since Delaney has been in office.  When I was a Local Chair, at least Canale would give us quarterly reports.
 
If you are worthy, then you haven't offered any difference between you and Joe Bartz or you and anyone else on your ballot.
 
Carry on

 

[700UW]

You still dont get it, how by pushing everything to arbitration is going to solve the problem?
 
You do realize thats where it will end up, either withdrawn to piss off the members or wait two years plus to hear it in arbitration.
 
But you keep avoiding that issue now dont you?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Since you arent part of the Negotiating Committee nor has the IAM put out anything what you say, where are you getting your bogus information?
 
Seems AH has his puppet strings attached to you.
 
Nice that you call the people you helped put in office idiots.
 
You have done more damage to your own coworkers for over 20 years.
 
Funny how you only stir crap around contract time, then you go into hiding again.
 
You lead the drive to oust Canale, and get Delaney, Mike Crowell (who went missing in action and screwed CLT and all his stations) and Frankie O who has dropped the ball on grievances and arbitrations, yet you blame everyone but yourself.
 
Your FSWU, AGW, and your other things you tried to start divides the membership, oh wait, I forgot its all about Tim.
 
And your filing short on cards for Fleet lead directly to the blood bath of 92.

I never filed any cards for fleet, you keep saying this over the years.
 
I blame those who are charged with taking our dues money and have failed.  Why wouldn't I or the membership?  Just because I or CB supported past candidates that failed doesn't mean that we offer our continue support if such candidates don't perform. We gave them a chance and they proved terrible and we now have an anti union agreement at United that is worse than Delta. Again, why should I support that?
 
I stay engaged. Definitely moreso when the NC presents dopey December proposals to AH.

 

[700UW]

Keep being AH;s puppet and believe the information he is feeding you to stir hate and discontent and divide the members.
 
You should be bringing the members together, not dividing them.
 
We all know you want the power and want to be in charge, something you havent achieved in over 20 years.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You still dont get it, how by pushing everything to arbitration is going to solve the problem?
 
You do realize thats where it will end up, either withdrawn to piss off the members or wait two years plus to hear it in arbitration.
 
But you keep avoiding that issue now dont you?

Presently, next to nothing gets arbitrated, so don't even suggest that we currently enforce that part of our contract. We don't.  AH is laughing.  This is a result of Delaney, but our guys don't have the stones to make a difference. Secondly, the reason why we have time limits is for accountability.  Nobody said everything will be arbitrated.  What we know right now is that AH and his department delay delay delay and by feeding their system by waiving time limits, that just adds to delay.  We have to offer change because having thousands of grievances in the wasteland isn't the answer.  Enforce the contract and its time limits. I know you are part of the establishment and don't like to see the unions money being used to arbitrate, but if there is one thing folks are paying dues for, it is for the arbitration step.

 

[700UW]

Once again I am going to ask you but you wont answer.
 
If you adhere strictly to the time limits, it pushes the grievance to the next step, they will all end up in arbitration or withdrawn, is that too hard for you to understand?
 
You say enforce the contract, that means push it to the next step, do you even know your CBA?
 

Time Limits
Article 20

The time limits set forth in this Article may only be waived by mutual, written agreement of the parties.
 
Failure of the Company to answer grievances within the prescribed time limits at any step automatically moves such grievances to the next level of the grievance procedure.
 
Failure of the employee or his Union representatives to comply with any of the prescribed time limits will withdraw any such grIevances from further consideration.
 

So if they dont adhere to the time limits in first step, why do you think they will adhere to the time limits in any step?
 
So whats your plan to make the company answer grievances in a timely manner?
 
Enforcing the time limits just pushes it to the next step. Read your CBA.
 
Come on Timmy, finally answer something.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Calm down bro, let's be honest about Delta too. Do you know that a substantial amount of DL employees are Ready Reserve? 
US could probably have 50-60 stations if we allowed Ready reserve like DL does. When you talk about these things bring out all the facts. Apples to apples.
 
P. Rez

Prez,
You just endorsed a TA at United that allows ready reserve unlimited.  It isn't called ready reserve as it is in our contract, but it is worse than ready reserve.  Kindly let me refresh what you endorsed,
"  section 3. Temporary Staffing Needs. The Company at its option will fill temporary needs as outlined in Section E.2 above. When filling temporary needs, the Company will inform the employees and the Local Committee of the contemplated duration and daily hours of the job(s). Temporary employees may work for up to 5 months, are not considered on active status and are subject to all provisions of this Agreement unless otherwise noted except that they will accrue no seniority and will not be subject to recall after termination of their jobs.
 
Hey buddy, let me tell you how you screwed the United employees in my station alone, k?  After you endorsed that TA, management informed 137 full timers here in ORD that they would be furloughed to part time or "Tuffa Lucka". Now, kindly go to United's website.  Yep!  You got it!  They are hiring 250 ready reserve employees in ORD for 5 months!  They just call them temporary employees but no difference.
 
These employees do not accrue seniority, have no recall rights, are not considered active so they lose other things, but they get to pay dues!  Not surprising  how you and Delaney endorsed that part!
 
Of course, even with your fully endorsed ready reserve at United, you also endorsed only 7 stations under scope. Have a nice Day Pat
 
So next time you talk about Delta, please look in the mirror. 

 

[P. REZ]

Tim,
 
Why all the hate? If you have a problem with something I usually like getting a phone call so that I can address the situation. Why are you on here spewing all of this hate? If you have things you would like to address I'm sure other AGC's are also willing to listen. So far I have only seen attacks by you which really makes it hard to address you without some mistrust. I have made mistakes in the past and will make mistakes in the future but one thing I will always do is represent anybody and everybody all the time. When I first got into office 15 months ago I had 43 grievances at step 4 in PHX.  I worked  hard at resolving this issue and now have around 15. That includes about 8 to 10 that I have appealed since I started. So you see Tim, I do my job since getting into office and my GC would attest to this. They know what grievances are at what step.  I have a Sociology degree from Arizona State University and I use my education for the betterment of all Union members all the time. Like I said before I will make mistakes but I will fight for everyone including you. I would appreciate that you spew your hate somewhere else.
 
P. Rez  

 

[cltrat]

for better or worse from what I see this election may very well come down to a referendum on the UA agreement esp to the UA members.
unfortunately if said agreement was the greatest in industry history as it was touted there wouldn't even be an election or it would be a given . The incumbents would be viewed as kings and rightfully so.
However since it looks like some UA members don't see it that way it's as they say going to be a horserace.

 

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