2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[737823]

Same for BOS, how many times do you have to be told the same thing over and over?

Equipment and training will happen before, and US use to fly the 768 to BOS, and the A333 use to fly to MIA when US first got them, as Airbus Training Center is in MIA.

Why is US sending it CLT-BOS, what a waste of an otherwise capable aircraft that will be sitting. Too bad it isn't going to LAX or MIA.

Josh

 

[ograc]

  I disagree with the notion that this article accepts AA metal as acceptable without a contract with AA. I truly believe that it falls within the " Express " guidelines as it is written within the paragraph of express. For instance Mesa, which at the time of writing was not a sub of USairways. 
  The problem is if the company sees it as you say then the grievance procedure is a problem. I agree with that part of it. 

mike,
As the article is written it can be US Airways Express aircraft and other non-company aircraft. AA aircraft, currently being worked in stations by American Eagle (soon to be Encore) could fall into either category as I see it. Either way; My advice to my members is to work it, under protest, and file a grievance. Refusal leaves the member open to charges of insubordination and possible termination. Don't want to go there with the timeliness of the represented Grievance Procedure. 

 

[ograc]

I dont see a strike in our future ....

What the unión should be doing is temporarily rasing unión dues in preperation for a PR war ....

US Airways has outsourced countless jobs .....start to make the public aware that American Airlines is just another company cutting people out of the middle class so the guys at the top and on Wall street can have their bonuses and you will see the public outrage flow ...

Freedom,
The public could give a rat's arse! What airline offers them the cheapest fares and most perks is all they're concerned about. The public will only be concerned when it is announced a bargaining unit is on a "30 day countdown" to a strike on a particular carrier. At that time they will book on another carrier.That is the only reaction you can reasonably expect from the public. With that being said... this reaction has the potential of a huge economic impact on the company's earnings and the promised synergies of the merger. This economic impact would be felt before the true economic impact of a strike (withdrawal of services) became effective. I don't understand the company's strategy or reasoning.  

 

[ograc]

Id like to think im intelligent enough to know we are not organized enough to strike ...

Do we have lists of employees at all IAM stations of who is loyal to unionism and who isnt ?

And what is this talk I hear about a 100 dollar a week strike fund ? You people dont know that more than half the country lives paycheck to paycheck ? If I were to wager. Guess id say we need at least a year and a half to just finicially prepare the membership for striking ...

Then of course we should be cognizant that we would get NO support from the public ...and while many of you think they would book away from AA ,I think you underestimate how cheap the public is ,all AA would have to do is lower fares and the planes would be packed strike or no.

I respectfully disagree concerning the publics' reaction to booking an itinerary on an airline that is 30 days away from a strike. Maybe this is the company's line of thinking.

 

[ChockJockey]

Why is US sending it CLT-BOS, what a waste of an otherwise capable aircraft that will be sitting. Too bad it isn't going to LAX or MIA.Josh

Seriously, how the hell should we know? Maybe if you ask nice the NC can insist on language requiring more widebody flights between Bahstin and Flawridda. I thought you didn't even fly on this airline? If it's keeping you up nights call route management and maybe they can explain it to you in greater detail.

 

[robbedagain]

Better quest is after being told repeatedly and getting the same flippin answernin various forms why he still posts the same quest knowing full well its nothing more than to flame bait 700 and others

 

[700UW]

Why is US sending it CLT-BOS, what a waste of an otherwise capable aircraft that will be sitting. Too bad it isn't going to LAX or MIA.

Josh

So tell us how many years experience do you have in airline marketing, operations and routing?
 
I mean you are an expert on everything right?

 

[737823]

So tell us how many years experience do you have in airline marketing, operations and routing?
 
I mean you are an expert on everything right?

Company boy it is sitting all night, could be sent on a lucrative trip to Europe or Brasil from CLT but instead it will be sitting in BOS. Seriously why not send it from BOS to a higher revenue market like MIA or LAX, aka somewhere people actually want to go?

Josh

 

[700UW]

Once again, how many years of experience in Aircraft/Airline Marketing, Operations, Routing and planning?

 

[freedom]

Freedom,
The public could give a rat's arse! What airline offers them the cheapest fares and most perks is all they're concerned about. The public will only be concerned when it is announced a bargaining unit is on a "30 day countdown" to a strike on a particular carrier. At that time they will book on another carrier.That is the only reaction you can reasonably expect from the public. With that being said... this reaction has the potential of a huge economic impact on the company's earnings and the promised synergies of the merger. This economic impact would be felt before the true economic impact of a strike (withdrawal of services) became effective. I don't understand the company's strategy or reasoning.

You couldnt be more wrong ....does the American public care about us as workers ? No they dont ....

But deep down out there in wider América there's an undercurrent of rage waiting to be exploited ..
American Airlines is guilty of helping to bring down our nations Standards for living ,AA is also now the largest airline in the country if not World ,did you know that Americans dont like monoplies ? These days they arent too keen on Corporations either.

I guess what im trying to get at is that the unión should be running poltical hit pieces on AA,like those negative poltcal ads weve all Seen where they talk bad about the canidate but you never know who the ad was soponsored by

If we assesed 7000 members a 20 dollar fee each pay period we would have close to 300k

 

[700UW]

No this is news to me .I would have thought that decling to vote would simply have continued the status quo.

There is not status quo after the 30 day cooling off period expires, you can strike and the company can impose its final offer, so if you vote no to strike and no on the final offer, guess what?
 
Your stuck with the final offer.

 

[roabilly]

There is not status quo after the 30 day cooling off period expires, you can strike and the company can impose its final offer, so if you vote no to strike and no on the final offer, guess what?
 
Your stuck with the final offer.

If this scenario were to play-out... Nelson would blame Delaney and the IAM for a crappy agreement!
 
You can bet the Company has a strategy, and they already know the percentages of members that will vote no to strike, and/or cross the lines. Negotiations are nothing but a numbers game, with the RLA governing the way the numbers are finalized.

 

[mike33]

And what is this talk I hear about a 100 dollar a week strike fund ? You people dont know that more than half the country lives paycheck to paycheck ? If I were to wager. Guess id say we need at least a year and a half to just finicially prepare the membership for striking ...

 You have been in negotiations for 2+ yrs now. What was your hold up for not saving?

 

[strangiatotheme]

Company boy it is sitting all night, could be sent on a lucrative trip to Europe or Brasil from CLT but instead it will be sitting in BOS. Seriously why not send it from BOS to a higher revenue market like MIA or LAX, aka somewhere people actually want to go?

Josh

The reason it's not being sent on one of those European routes is because the revenue simply isn't there during that period of the year. Otherwise they probably would be sending it there instead of on a CLT-BOS or CLT-PHX turn. That's the whole point of these flights, to utilize the aircraft when there isn't a more profitable place to send it. When the summer TATL season ramps up, you'll notice that these flights disappear as the aircraft are needed in more lucrative/higher revenue markets. As far as other domestic routes, I think MIA has higher-than-average landing and pax fees which is why up until recently the schedule there primarily utilized 737s when other airports like FLL saw mainly Airbus equipment. LAX, I'm going to guess, is an issue of gate space, which IIRC was one of the reasons the A330s were not sent there in the early or mid 2000s when US originally explored the idea. Not sure if the move to T3 will affect that, however, as I know there is (or was anyway) at least one Group V-capable gate there.

The point is, however, that PHX and BOS were likely the two markets identified after running the FAM that met both the revenue requirements and station equipment/feasibility that allowed them to be scheduled in as regular flights.

And to your point about a vendor working the flights in PHX, that has proven to be untrue. A training program is in place, A330-specific lines have been awarded to US employees as part of the regular schedule bid, and US has been purchasing brand-new widebody equipment to be used in PHX to work the aircraft.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You couldnt be more wrong ....does the American public care about us as workers ? No they dont ....

But deep down out there in wider América there's an undercurrent of rage waiting to be exploited ..
American Airlines is guilty of helping to bring down our nations Standards for living ,AA is also now the largest airline in the country if not World ,did you know that Americans dont like monoplies ? These days they arent too keen on Corporations either.

I guess what im trying to get at is that the unión should be running poltical hit pieces on AA,like those negative poltcal ads weve all Seen where they talk bad about the canidate but you never know who the ad was soponsored by

If we assesed 7000 members a 20 dollar fee each pay period we would have close to 300k

So far, the union hasn't run any sorta campaign at all.  But I think the public is very very concerned about how the American worker is treated and the death of the middle class.  A big campaign piece that the public will understand is that US AIRWAYS workers should make at least what American Air workers do.   If our peeps go on strike due to AH refusing to give his own employees the same pay as sAA, then that will appear incredibly unfair and there is a very good reason to strike. 
I'm not sure what the IAM is doing, maybe it is doing us right, but the IAM balks and ends up losing its stones in the 9th inning thus far [hell in the 6th inning] since I have been an IAM member.  They could recommend a TA that pays less than sAA at DOS but also give you a strike ballot and then push the TA on fear.  I haven't had one IAM TA that was good and presented to the members other than presenting it based on fear.  Not sure what the DC kumbuya session is going to resolve but this one is clear, GET SCOPE and GET AT MINIMUM sAA WAGES.  If not, then get a release. There is no reason to negotiate, period, with a management group that just said it has no intentions of negotiating fairly before joint talks. Take management at its word, and push full steam for a release. The NMB is Obama's group so I would fully expect the NMB to be partial to the IAM.  Politics are in line.  USE THAT LEVERAGE.
 
As an aside, don't let any full blown democrat [i'm independent] get away with blabbing his/her mouth that the NMB is a prick.  If Obama can't produce with a favorable ruling, and he can, then he failed.  Bottom line. Same with single carrier status, Obama's NMB will most likely be partial to the IAM, just like the NLRB was regarding Boeing.  And the IAM's politics are among the best and can get it done with a good strategy.  I think sUS is in great shape, regardless of AH's decision to hold his cards.    We will get sAA wages and other improvements.  Yes we will