2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

I thought you were ignoring me?
 
And there you go again with the name calling, is that what they taught you in your Seminary classes?
 
You are AH's mouthpiece, CB, P.Rez, Roabilly and others have it all figured out.
 
http://voteyesiam.com/urs/URS_SS_explanation.pdf
 
And if you want to be an AGC, PDGC or the IP, why dont you know the current strike benefit?
 
Posting misinformation again Timmy:
 
Ironic you dont even know the correct strike pay an increases.
 
Gee Timmy it hasnt been a $100 in nine years!

Now that is good information.  Today, what is the current fund up to?  This is the type of stuff that the IAM needs to get out.

 

[roabilly]

I'm getting quoted by those that have made the decision to put me on ignore....
 
...guess they chickened out!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Bravo, just read the INTL constitution. The one I had was outdated and I appreciate 700 checking me on that. Good news indeed.  Depending on the strike fund totals, we should still get dispensation.  Dispensation for pay, and for time limit.  The strike fund doesn't pay out until the 3rd week on strike. They should give special dispensation and allow our members to get benefits sooner.  This is shaping up as a HUGE battle for labor and we can't afford to F it up. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Strike fund at $1 billion
 
Can someone please do the math on the formula that 700 totaled and the numbers produced by the INTL two weeks ago saying that the strike fund is now at $1 billion?
 
reference: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/26/us-machinist-election-idUSBREA0P01K20140126
 
A $1 Billion strike fund, according to the new INTL bylaws should mean about $800 a week, yes?  Help me out here fellas?   IMO, anything over $350 a week will have a 100% strike vote where most members wouldn't mind staying home for the spring/summer.

 

[Tim Nelson]

http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2022879748_machinistselectionxml.html#.UvpBHsMecio.facebook

 

[mike33]

no no one else is and if you think AH is telling nelson anything , then you are less intelligent than I gave you credit for.
if you want some cred here call out the scammers that misled UA members on their agreement.
 
And don't waste your time answering if you're going to say this isn't the UA forum

You are either talking to Josh or 700. They both think they know the aire that is going around the ramp but they know nothing in todays environment. Why 700 keeps butting in on our conversations is beyond me.

 

[mike33]

I am advocating for my people and for Labor. And if you think AH wants me or anyone else to advocate that the IAM support its members more than the ridiculous $100 a week strike benefit then you must be a complete moron or company suck arse. Yes, I believe our people deserve more strike pay and should get special dispensation. In fact, I think it is mandatory.  Buffy is on the hot seat and our NC has every political advantage to demand that dispensation. You and other anti unionist who support management and sell out your members can kiss my arse.  The IAM has hundreds of millions in the strike fund and with a showdown over the middle class, and with the perfect storm against management, this is a YES WE CAN and YES WE WILL victory.  It's time that the IAM step up to the plate, this is 2014, and $100 a week isn't much support for our people.  Never mind that the strike benefit doesn't even kick in gear until the second week.  You guys are asking my people to strike, so I'm going to expect you punks to do your part and have our backs.  You got me, punk?
 
And stop blaming Obama's NMB.  Labor can win this fight BIGTIME.  It will be a shot in the arm for labor and for the IAM.  No thanks to you.

 Be careful, he will again and again and again threaten you for slander... sometimes the truth hurts

 

[mike33]

So at 5 mil its $150 and it goes up 25$ when it gets to 150mil?....
  100$ is not that far off as tim said. 
 
  I just wish people that are not involved would just stop the rhetoric and fighting on here and start teaching. Be Bi-partisian and just give some direction, because you all know that the company is disrespecting us. Past decisions that were made are just that " in the past ".  These are different situations. 
 
  Sometimes i don't know who is worse. People with the "Freedom" mentality or those that know it all and somehow think it is better that we listen to them. I respect all your past services but it's time to change what is happening to this workforce. If UA couldn't do it, maybe we can. There are a large amount of Fleet who now understand what we have to do. Guide us but don't act like we can't think for ourselves.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So at 5 mil its $150 and it goes up 25$ when it gets to 150mil?....
  100$ is not that far off as tim said. 
 
  I just wish people that are not involved would just stop the rhetoric and fighting on here and start teaching. Be Bi-partisian and just give some direction, because you all know that the company is disrespecting us. Past decisions that were made are just that " in the past ".  These are different situations. 
 
  Sometimes i don't know who is worse. People with the "Freedom" mentality or those that know it all and somehow think it is better that we listen to them. I respect all your past services but it's time to change what is happening to this workforce. If UA couldn't do it, maybe we can. There are a large amount of Fleet who now understand what we have to do. Guide us but don't act like we can't think for ourselves.

It seems to me that the strike benefits could actually be $800 a week and maybe that is why the IAM leaders were hiding these facts.  According to President Buffenbarger saying that the strike fund was at $1 billion,  the $25 increments reach about $800 a month.  In which case, I think the strike vote would be damn close to 100% as most wouldn't really mind staying home for the spring/summer months. 

My point is that although they got away with just tossing the United members a strike ballot and saying "Vote or else",  myself and others at US AIRWAYS are NOT GOING TO TOLERATE the same ignorance here. These Mo Fo's better let our people know the process, the support, and the amount.  It's incredibly profane to just say, "Prepare for Strike" without being given the knowledge of all the things associated with it.  What soldier prepares for battle without being told how to use his equipment, training, etc?   I'm encouraged by 700's post that the strike benefit far exceeds what I initially thought. I love being wrong about that!

 

[28L_or_10R?]

 
I don't respect anyone saying they will cross a picket line. Crossing a picket line or voting no to strike, in this situation, is taking on unnecessary friendly fire.
 
Once a release is granted, if it is, then the IAM needs to also secure additional support from its other members in the form of donations to help our cause.  The NC also needs to secure additional dispensation.  $100 a week is a true embarrassment and the #1 reason why strikes are tougher nowadays.  AH knows this as well.  Having $100 bucks a week strike benefit worked back when the dinosaurs were roaming the earth but not in today's world.  Get up OFF OF YOUR ARSES NC AND PUT PRESSURE ON THE INTL.  Tell those pricks the one thing they understand, I.e., they better give the dispensation in writing or they are NOT worthy of your political support in April.  If the INTL can't support our peeps, then this is starting off on the wrong foot already.

I'll dip into my 401-k for my strike fund, if needed. Deal with the penalties later. And any more outsourcing will get my "no" vote. In fact, I want more insourcing.

 

[cltrat]

Mike for the record it was 700
 
I don't see why if we have been told to prepare for a year to prepare then why there was not already an information pamphlet printed? maybe money is being save so Buffy can if another sibling a 6 figure job?
 
At any rate 150 a week is disgraceful and won't inspire much in the way  of a yes vote

 

[mike33]

The way i calculate it at 1 Bil $ is 35 increments of 25mil in the remaining 875mil after 175mil which would be after the initial 200$
 
35 x $25 increments=  875$....plus the initial 200$ at the 175 mil mark totaling $1075.00   Damn...someone else do the math but i think I'm right !!!????

 

[freedom]

Well mike it is what it is ...

Ill tell you this much ,if it comes to a strike vote and the membership rejects it you can kiss the IAM goodbye ...

I strongly suggest that our unión not worry about wage gains and simply focous on job security for the membership .

 

[roabilly]

When I saw you quoted Roa, I busted out laughing.  Everything he said is simply a 100% lie. His defeatist attitude, from the retirement perch, is the exact anti union thing that management loves. The company has no idea, neither do I, how many will strike or vote for strike.  Educating the members will produce a strong strike vote. Roa and other anti unionist who build up AH to a larger than life 'all knowing' God are destructive and such folks are just a tool for AH.  Besides, negotiations are NOT just a numbers game, however Roa and other corporate types like to reduce things down to that.  Negotiations are about fairness and it's a shame that Roa wants to use AH's numbers and dog the members with such ridiculous post.  It's much  more than just about numbers, it's about control.   What we need to do is the exact opposite of what Roabilly is blabbing from his retirement chair, i.e., we need to educate the members PRONTO.   Actually, it is entirely insulting that we haven 't already done this since a release could happen today.  The better we educate folks, the stronger and bigger the strike vote will be.  I've been incredibly disappointed with Roa billy's boys and how they have handled strike votes so shittty.  T5towbar can vouch that Roa's boys completely F up the strike vote at United.  They just mailed a strike ballot with no instructions and with no previous education or information.  The strike vote was suppose to be used to scare the sCO members, however, on facebook we educated the members about what the strike vote was and why they were getting it.  
 
When Roa's boys counted the strike votes, most of the counters there were friendly to me and reported immediately the results of the strike vote and TA vote, station by station breakdown.  Atkinson insisted on counting the sCO strike votes first, hoping that they all voted no to strike so he could blame them.  The opposite happened and sCO voted over 95% in favor of strike.  When that happened, Atkinson stopped the count and didn't even bother counting the sUA votes since he knew they would be 99%.  Then he told the counters that he isn't going to release the strike vote numbers since the TA didn't pass.  Roa's boys are scammers and by association so is Roabilly.  I true shame to union men and women.  A true scammer because he knows his boys have done so much wrong but MF guaranteed him his IAMPF would be fine so he doesn't give a darn about the actives and would much rather build fear by building up AH and claim that AH is all knowing. 
 
When Roabilly's boys refused to put out the strike vote, it took away leverage.  Putting out the strike vote would have built up more confidence and unified sCO and sUA even more.  But RoaConstrictor and his boys are 100% pure management and their actions show it. And plenty of them.
 
Hopefully, Roa's and his boys get up off of their collective arses and educate folks and encourage them on the strike vote. Knowledge is power.  Just tossing out a statement, "Prepare to strike" is asinine. 
 
 

Nice diatribe Nelson... Ted Kaczynski would be proud of you! How ironic, a lowly retiree that is not running for any kind of officer position can rattle your cage to the point that you resort to posting inflammatory, rambling manifestos!
 
Again, I reiterate... my official position is YES TO STRIKE if it ever comes down to an actual vote. I remember years ago when M&R took the same vote, and members were actually taking digital photos of their ballots prior to placing them in the boxes. Can you guess why?

 

[mike33]

Roa
 
  Do me a favor and do the Math will you?....I can.t believe that I'm right. I have to be missing something ?