2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Strike Preparedness
 
YES WE WILL.  Yes we will strike. Yes we will get fairness.  There is no other option acceptable given the current stance of management rejecting fairness.
 
The focus of the strike should be that sUS management refuses to bring its sUS workers up to sAA pay and is using the sUS employees as cheaper employees against sAA employees.  With the billions of dollars in profits, and CEO's latest greatest salary increase, I think an effective and successful public campaign can be won fairly easy.  Especially since everyone is talking about the battle for "Middle Earth", i.e., the middle class.  There will be plenty of sympathy from the public and clearly NONE for an airline which just merged into #1 in the world and won't take care of its employees.
 
Also, I believe over the last month that we put enough heat on the NC, on this page, that a full disclosure is coming that will put out the company proposal and the union proposal and show folks what is on the table. Plus it is worthy to do so, they are asking folks to strike, so folks have to know what they are potentially striking for.  The union shouldn't compromise with the wage tier system and enhancing scope.  AH has told them he will have to have less scope if he pays sAA wages but would sign on the dotted line with same scope if union accepted $21 and change.   I'd be very disappointed if scope wasn't enhanced, especially if we are being asked to strike, and me personally, I feel we need scope more than anything.
 
I don't respect anyone saying they will cross a picket line. Crossing a picket line or voting no to strike, in this situation, is taking on unnecessary friendly fire.
 
Once a release is granted, if it is, then the IAM needs to also secure additional support from its other members in the form of donations to help our cause.  The NC also needs to secure additional dispensation.  $100 a week is a true embarrassment and the #1 reason why strikes are tougher nowadays.  AH knows this as well.  Having $100 bucks a week strike benefit worked back when the dinosaurs were roaming the earth but not in today's world.  Get up OFF OF YOUR ARSES NC AND PUT PRESSURE ON THE INTL.  Tell those pricks the one thing they understand, I.e., they better give the dispensation in writing or they are NOT worthy of your political support in April.  If the INTL can't support our peeps, then this is starting off on the wrong foot already.

 

[737823]

The reason it's not being sent on one of those European routes is because the revenue simply isn't there during that period of the year. Otherwise they probably would be sending it there instead of on a CLT-BOS or CLT-PHX turn. That's the whole point of these flights, to utilize the aircraft when there isn't a more profitable place to send it. When the summer TATL season ramps up, you'll notice that these flights disappear as the aircraft are needed in more lucrative/higher revenue markets. As far as other domestic routes, I think MIA has higher-than-average landing and pax fees which is why up until recently the schedule there primarily utilized 737s when other airports like FLL saw mainly Airbus equipment. LAX, I'm going to guess, is an issue of gate space, which IIRC was one of the reasons the A330s were not sent there in the early or mid 2000s when US originally explored the idea. Not sure if the move to T3 will affect that, however, as I know there is (or was anyway) at least one Group V-capable gate there.The point is, however, that PHX and BOS were likely the two markets identified after running the FAM that met both the revenue requirements and station equipment/feasibility that allowed them to be scheduled in as regular flights.And to your point about a vendor working the flights in PHX, that has proven to be untrue. A training program is in place, A330-specific lines have been awarded to US employees as part of the regular schedule bid, and US has been purchasing brand-new widebody equipment to be used in PHX to work the aircraft.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, appreciate it. Still strikes me as an odd move but it will be nice to fly.

Josh

 

[cltrat]

If this scenario were to play-out... Nelson would blame Delaney and the IAM for a crappy agreement!
 
You can bet the Company has a strategy, and they already know the percentages of members that will vote no to strike, and/or cross the lines. Negotiations are nothing but a numbers game, with the RLA governing the way the numbers are finalized.

personally I'm more worried about what people like Klemm and Bartz have already been proven to do rather than someone who isn't in office might do. Maybe when you make your vaunted vote you might think about that.

 

[Tim Nelson]

personally I'm more worried about what people like Klemm and Bartz have already been proven to do rather than someone who isn't in office might do. Maybe when you make your vaunted vote you might think about that.

When I saw you quoted Roa, I busted out laughing.  Everything he said is simply a 100% lie. His defeatist attitude, from the retirement perch, is the exact anti union thing that management loves. The company has no idea, neither do I, how many will strike or vote for strike.  Educating the members will produce a strong strike vote. Roa and other anti unionist who build up AH to a larger than life 'all knowing' God are destructive and such folks are just a tool for AH.  Besides, negotiations are NOT just a numbers game, however Roa and other corporate types like to reduce things down to that.  Negotiations are about fairness and it's a shame that Roa wants to use AH's numbers and dog the members with such ridiculous post.  It's much  more than just about numbers, it's about control.   What we need to do is the exact opposite of what Roabilly is blabbing from his retirement chair, i.e., we need to educate the members PRONTO.   Actually, it is entirely insulting that we haven 't already done this since a release could happen today.  The better we educate folks, the stronger and bigger the strike vote will be.  I've been incredibly disappointed with Roa billy's boys and how they have handled strike votes so shittty.  T5towbar can vouch that Roa's boys completely F up the strike vote at United.  They just mailed a strike ballot with no instructions and with no previous education or information.  The strike vote was suppose to be used to scare the sCO members, however, on facebook we educated the members about what the strike vote was and why they were getting it.  
 
When Roa's boys counted the strike votes, most of the counters there were friendly to me and reported immediately the results of the strike vote and TA vote, station by station breakdown.  Atkinson insisted on counting the sCO strike votes first, hoping that they all voted no to strike so he could blame them.  The opposite happened and sCO voted over 95% in favor of strike.  When that happened, Atkinson stopped the count and didn't even bother counting the sUA votes since he knew they would be 99%.  Then he told the counters that he isn't going to release the strike vote numbers since the TA didn't pass.  Roa's boys are scammers and by association so is Roabilly.  I true shame to union men and women.  A true scammer because he knows his boys have done so much wrong but MF guaranteed him his IAMPF would be fine so he doesn't give a darn about the actives and would much rather build fear by building up AH and claim that AH is all knowing. 
 
When Roabilly's boys refused to put out the strike vote, it took away leverage.  Putting out the strike vote would have built up more confidence and unified sCO and sUA even more.  But RoaConstrictor and his boys are 100% pure management and their actions show it. And plenty of them.
 
Hopefully, Roa's and his boys get up off of their collective arses and educate folks and encourage them on the strike vote. Knowledge is power.  Just tossing out a statement, "Prepare to strike" is asinine. 
 
Please network:  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Unified-for-Change/659976804041652

 

[Tim Nelson]

And it is more than just educating members about a strike vote. The District leaders need to have the stones to advocate and secure dispensation from the INTL.  This is mandatory. If they can't do that then they are not worth a damn. They have political leverage to get this done.  IMO, we, the members will have to build a strong strike vote as Roa and his boys will try to build fear and talk down to our members and beat them down by blabbing that the membership isn't strong, etc.  We should not be surprised that those who are Pollyanna's of the District leaders have to necessarily beat down the membership. The District leaders need to uplift the membership, encourage the membership that YES IT CAN and YES IT WILL, instead of being negative and hitting them with a 'beat down'.

 

[700UW]

Anyone else find it funny that someone is now calling for more division between the IAM and its members by insisting the IAM raise the strike pay?
 
Sure sounds like something AH would tell TN to do to create more fear about not striking and having the company the ability to impose its last and final offer if the members vote down the CBA and vote no to strike.
 
Is anyone else thinking the same thing?
 
And for the past year the IAM has said be prepared for a strike.

 

[cltrat]

no no one else is and if you think AH is telling nelson anything , then you are less intelligent than I gave you credit for.
if you want some cred here call out the scammers that misled UA members on their agreement.
 
And don't waste your time answering if you're going to say this isn't the UA forum

 

[T5towbar]

When I saw you quoted Roa, I busted out laughing.  Everything he said is simply a 100% lie. His defeatist attitude, from the retirement perch, is the exact anti union thing that management loves. The company has no idea, neither do I, how many will strike or vote for strike.  Educating the members will produce a strong strike vote. Roa and other anti unionist who build up AH to a larger than life 'all knowing' God are destructive and such folks are just a tool for AH.  Besides, negotiations are NOT just a numbers game, however Roa and other corporate types like to reduce things down to that.  Negotiations are about fairness and it's a shame that Roa wants to use AH's numbers and dog the members with such ridiculous post.  It's much  more than just about numbers, it's about control.   What we need to do is the exact opposite of what Roabilly is blabbing from his retirement chair, i.e., we need to educate the members PRONTO.   Actually, it is entirely insulting that we haven 't already done this since a release could happen today.  The better we educate folks, the stronger and bigger the strike vote will be.  I've been incredibly disappointed with Roa billy's boys and how they have handled strike votes so shittty.  T5towbar can vouch that Roa's boys completely F up the strike vote at United.  They just mailed a strike ballot with no instructions and with no previous education or information.  The strike vote was suppose to be used to scare the sCO members, however, on facebook we educated the members about what the strike vote was and why they were getting it.  
 
When Roa's boys counted the strike votes, most of the counters there were friendly to me and reported immediately the results of the strike vote and TA vote, station by station breakdown.  Atkinson insisted on counting the sCO strike votes first, hoping that they all voted no to strike so he could blame them.  The opposite happened and sCO voted over 95% in favor of strike.  When that happened, Atkinson stopped the count and didn't even bother counting the sUA votes since he knew they would be 99%.  Then he told the counters that he isn't going to release the strike vote numbers since the TA didn't pass.  Roa's boys are scammers and by association so is Roabilly.  I true shame to union men and women.  A true scammer because he knows his boys have done so much wrong but MF guaranteed him his IAMPF would be fine so he doesn't give a darn about the actives and would much rather build fear by building up AH and claim that AH is all knowing. 
 
When Roabilly's boys refused to put out the strike vote, it took away leverage.  Putting out the strike vote would have built up more confidence and unified sCO and sUA even more.  But RoaConstrictor and his boys are 100% pure management and their actions show it. And plenty of them.
 
Hopefully, Roa's and his boys get up off of their collective arses and educate folks and encourage them on the strike vote. Knowledge is power.  Just tossing out a statement, "Prepare to strike" is asinine. 
 
Please network:  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Unified-for-Change/659976804041652

That's why they didn't publish the numbers of the strike vote. But by all accounts, it was overwhelmingly a "Yes" to strike, once it was explained about the RLA. The District wanted this "monumental" contract passed, but with the advent of social media, that is why the first TA was shot down.
The "color coding" of the ballots didn't help either.

 

[cltrat]

thank you T5 for coming in here and telling what others here refuse to acknowledge either that or they are dumb enough to believe it has nothing to do with us.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Anyone else find it funny that someone is now calling for more division between the IAM and its members by insisting the IAM raise the strike pay?
 
Sure sounds like something AH would tell TN to do to create more fear about not striking and having the company the ability to impose its last and final offer if the members vote down the CBA and vote no to strike.
 
Is anyone else thinking the same thing?
 
And for the past year the IAM has said be prepared for a strike.

I am advocating for my people and for Labor. And if you think AH wants me or anyone else to advocate that the IAM support its members more than the ridiculous $100 a week strike benefit then you must be a complete moron or company suck arse. Yes, I believe our people deserve more strike pay and should get special dispensation. In fact, I think it is mandatory.  Buffy is on the hot seat and our NC has every political advantage to demand that dispensation. You and other anti unionist who support management and sell out your members can kiss my arse.  The IAM has hundreds of millions in the strike fund and with a showdown over the middle class, and with the perfect storm against management, this is a YES WE CAN and YES WE WILL victory.  It's time that the IAM step up to the plate, this is 2014, and $100 a week isn't much support for our people.  Never mind that the strike benefit doesn't even kick in gear until the second week.  You guys are asking my people to strike, so I'm going to expect you punks to do your part and have our backs.  You got me, punk?
 
And stop blaming Obama's NMB.  Labor can win this fight BIGTIME.  It will be a shot in the arm for labor and for the IAM.  No thanks to you.

 

[Tim Nelson]

thank you T5 for coming in here and telling what others here refuse to acknowledge either that or they are dumb enough to believe it has nothing to do with us.

I'm not going to tolerate insanity and stupid shitt.  I will absolutely POUND our NC for having their collective finger up their arses if they don't start educating the members on the risk, probability of success [very high], and what happens when you strike, how much you get compensated, any unemployment benefits, what happens when a strike is over and how to get back to work, what happens if you scab, what level of support, what are the issues, strategy etc.
 
There should be a glossy 16 page newsletter educating members.  It's completely and thoroughly insulting that these idiots in the District office haven't the slightest idea on what the hell they are doing and have sat by collectively with their fingers up their arses NOT educating the members over the one damn thing that they ask the members to prepare for.  What teacher ask you to prepare for a test without first being a good shepherd and giving instructions?  Absolute MORONS

 

[roabilly]

Nelson is ultimate spin-master! Now he claims I’m attempting to sway Fleet AWAY from voting for a strike vote. For the record, I think if Fleet doesn't vote YES to strike, they will lose their leverage.
 
Just as 700 said... if you aren't willing to “walk the walk” by not backing the negotiators with a YES TO STRIKE vote... you WILL have the last offer from the Company as your contract.... It’s that simple!
 
LOCK –N- LOAD!

 

[700UW]

I thought you were ignoring me?
 
And there you go again with the name calling, is that what they taught you in your Seminary classes?
 
You are AH's mouthpiece, CB, P.Rez, Roabilly and others have it all figured out.
 
http://voteyesiam.com/urs/URS_SS_explanation.pdf
 
And if you want to be an AGC, PDGC or the IP, why dont you know the current strike benefit?
 
Posting misinformation again Timmy:
 

 
SEC. 6. Effective January 1, 2001, and 9 each January 1 thereafter, 10% of each month’s per capita tax transmitted to G.L. shall be allocated to the Strike Fund. This fund shall not be used for any other purpose except as specified herein. Benefits shall be paid from this strike fund in accordance with the following provisions:
 
When $5,000,000 has accumulated in the strike fund, members who have continuous good standing for at least 3 months and who have ceased work on account of a grievance approved by the E.C., shall receive benefits from the fund. Beginning on January 1, 2005, strike benefits shall be in the amount of $150.00 per week. 
 
Whenever the balance in the Strike Fund exceeds $150,000,000, strike benefits shall increase to $175 per week. Whenever the balance in the Strike Fund exceeds $175,000,000, strike benefits shall increase  to $200 per week. Thereafter, each increase of $25,000,000 in the Strike Fund balance shall increase strike benefits by $25.00 per week in the manner described above. Any decrease in the Strike Fund balance shall result in a decrease in benefits to the previous level, but not below $150.00 per week. All the remaining terms of Article XVI, Section 6 remain in effect.
 

Ironic you dont even know the correct strike pay an increases.
 
Gee Timmy it hasnt been a $100 in nine years!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nelson is ultimate spin-master! Now he claims I’m attempting to sway Fleet AWAY from voting for a strike vote. For the record, I think if Fleet doesn't vote YES to strike, they will lose their leverage.
 
Just as 700 said... if you aren't willing to “walk the walk” by not backing the negotiators with a YES TO STRIKE vote... you WILL have the last offer from the Company as your contract.... It’s that simple!
 
LOCK –N- LOAD!

just keep that Local N Load.  Stop your shitt about how Big Al knows how many are striking and how many will vote yes to strike.  Stop the stupid shitt, ok?   Now is the time to educate.  The more knowledge we give the members, the bigger the strike vote.  Now go tell your boys to get up off their arses and contract with a firm to manufacture the consent needed, through knowledge, to produce a 99% strike vote.

 

[roabilly]

I thought you were ignoring me?
 
And there you go again with the name calling, is that what they taught you in your Seminary classes?
 
You are AH's mouthpiece, CB, P.Rez, Roabilly and others have it all figured out.
 
http://voteyesiam.com/urs/URS_SS_explanation.pdf
 
And if you want to be an AGC, PDGC or the IP, why dont you know the current strike benefit?
 
Posting misinformation again Timmy:
 
Ironic you dont even know the correct strike pay an increases.

They broke mold with Nelson... (hopefully) ...Yes-- I think the same as you and others. 
 
There is definitely a skunk in the hen-house!